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<![CDATA[With all his daddy's connections, George W. already has a new job lined in
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Japan. Click below to see actual film of his job-winning audition.
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<a href="http://www.flixxy.com/pet-monkey.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.flixxy.com/pet-monkey.htm</a>
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Happy fish fry from Mr. R. ]]> | <![CDATA["...when McCain is elected President." Not so fast, Elmer - we are talking
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about the Clintons, ya know. I have just received a request from the Clintons
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to urge the DNC to seat the Michigan and Florida delegates. They are making
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the argument that they are winning if the DNC seats those two states. If the
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DNC does not, they will be hopeless in November. As cited, the league of women
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voters are ready to jump in, too. This race is far from over (I presume Clinton
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will win by a wide margin in Kentucky).
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I find it very irk-some that so many Democrats are willing to waste their
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political capital on Obama - like what's his name - hmmm, can't remeber it
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anymore - you know, the guy who was the Democrats V.P. candidate in 2004.
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It's for the best in the long run - if Clinton wins, she will not owe the
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party bosses much, eh? If she loses, and Obama becomes the nominee, he will
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most certianly lose in the general election. All those radical-left party
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bosses will have their names on the 'list of shame.' We can ignore them for
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the rest of their days and rebuild the Democratic Party on the piled heaps
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of their political corpses.
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BTW - I really like that 'Hilambo' photo. Makes me wanna shout: YOU GO GIRL!!!
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I must say I'm a little dissapointed that you have nothing to say about my
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'Modern Heresy' post. The pamphlet was written by a Phd. and is really well-
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thought-out and a thought provoking piece. I find the author to be a modern
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Thomas Paine - a real American hero who is willing to buck popular myths for
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the common good of all.
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"There are no evil truths." Mr. R.]]> | <![CDATA[For Eastside Chris...
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I also failed in finding the Sura verse where Allah refers to himself as the "most clever of all liars".
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I heard it from a recorded testimony of a convert from Islam to Christianity.
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The Koran "search word engines" that I access did not reveal it.
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I think it is there because I was told it was there. But frankly, as of yet I cannot prove it.
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“Islam and Muhammad deny the deity of Christ.”
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"But he is considered a prophet whose second coming will usher in the Apocalypse." -ESC.
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You see, I am not OK with this. It is a degrading of the deity of Christ, plain and simple. No self proclaimed Christian should be OK with it.
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You ask have "I have encountered Muslims" and "Are you for real?"
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The answer for both questions is "yes".
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I have already worked for a man of Islam, hired a man of Islam for a department I managed. My current duties randomly call for me to interact with men of Islam.
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Restraints of curbing Muslims for satisfying (Surah 9:29; 9:5)are effective in the United States.
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However, these practices (Of Islamic persons executing Christians) are common throughout most of the Middle East, Indonesia, Morocco and countless other places.
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It is the Missionary people I encounter that are guffawed and amazed by the pacified viewpoint of "If you kill Christians over there, then they got it coming; just so you don't kill them over here" that Christian Missionaries find unbelievable when they come Stateside. Perhaps your OK with this, E.S.C?
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Certainly I am not!
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Allah, the god in Qu Ran who promises 70 virgins for those who kill infidels in mass quantities?
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Peace-loving Islam which uses surgery to stitch and mutilate female genitalia for anger control and chastity purposes of their sick religion that was started by an epileptic misfit?
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A professed Christian, and admitted heretic defending Islam against a Bible student??? How utterly curious !?
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For all pundits...
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George Bush's critical remarks against Obama for legitimizing Iran is something I am going to miss when McCain waters down the Republican party when McCain is elected President.
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Leagues of Women voters are poised to tear the DNC to pieces, because of what they say are male gender preference complaints of DNC favoring Obama over Hillary.
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We have much to discuss, Pundits!
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-3lmer]]> | <![CDATA[<a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=r8gnmUyminI" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=r8gnmUyminI</a>]]> | <![CDATA[Glad to see America waking up!!!
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<a href="http://louisville.craigslist.org/pol/681970511.html" rel="nofollow">http://louisville.craigslist.org/pol/681970511.html</a>
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Will the Democrat Party's bosses wake up in time?
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Probably not. What a bunch of fools!!!]]> | <![CDATA[In 1633 Galileo was convicted of heresy. He had written that the Earth revolves
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around the sun. This contradicted 2000 years of dogma which held that the Earth
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lie immobile at the center of the universe, and the sun, moon and stars revolve
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around it. Galileo recanted and his life was spared.
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...Todays heretic claims there are important differences between blacks and
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whites. This contradicts The Doctrine of Equivalence, which declares that all
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races ...are equivalent and interchangeable.
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...The Left is shredding our Constitution, and race politic is their blade of
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choice.
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Extracts from the writtings of Arthur White, PHD. To view the entire pamphlet,
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click on the link below:
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<a href="http://www.geocities.com/noreparations/" rel="nofollow">http://www.geocities.com/noreparations/</a>
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There are no evil truths.]]> | <![CDATA[The straight stuff on Obama!
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<a href="http://www.jtf.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jtf.org/</a>
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]]> | <![CDATA[One of the issues that is so important to me, this Presidential election, is
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that I wanted a candidate that would appoint Supreme Court Justices that would
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uphold Roe vs. Wade. That is why I was going to have a very hard time voting
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for John McCain, in November, if Clinton was not the democrat's candidate.
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But today, NARAL just made it much less painful for me to vote for McCain.
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<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080514/ap_on_el_pr/obama_endorsement" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080514/ap_on_el_pr/obama_endorsement</a>
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Thanks NARAL - if Roe v. Wade goes down because McCain appoints right-wingers
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to the Supreme Court, you have only yourselves to blame. What a bunch of turn-
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coat assholes you are!!!
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Mr. R.
<br>]]> | <![CDATA[<b>“Allah was a moon-god in one of the villages that Muhammad spent time in as a youth for which Muhammad found favor in Allah to elevate him.”</b>
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Arabic Christians refer to God – the Christian God – as Allah. “Allah” is the word for “God” in Arabic. Yes, the moon god you mention was also called “Allah” but that is because that particular god was known as the Creator to pre-Muslim Arabic pagans. Not having an Arabic word for “God” at the time, “Allah” was used by both Muslims and Christians alike. The evolution of the word does not mean that it is a different God. Do they believe that our God had a prophet after Jesus? Yes; but we believe that God’s only son died for our sins, contrary to what Jewish people believe. And yet, our God and the Jewish God are considered the same...only we consider Jesus to be His son and they don’t.
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<b>“In the Koran (or Qu ran) Allah refers to himself as the 'most clever of all liars'. This is just one of many reasons why Allah is not God.”</b>
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I have searched (online) for this phrase in the Qur’an, and nothing came up. Please cite this passage within the Qur’an.
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<b>“Islam and Muhammad deny the deity of Christ.”</b>
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But he is considered a prophet whose second coming will usher in the Apocalypse.
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<b>“Although clarity and detail is important, the status of the Islamic presenter does not negate that dynamics described in the initial post. The fact is, that All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in Heaven.”</b>
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Are you for real? Have you encountered a Muslim? Were you killed on the spot? I have met with and talked with many Muslims who had no intention of killing me. These were Americans and visitors from Muslim countries alike; MOST Muslims do not believe that the religion commands them to kill unbelievers. Those that do are considered extremists by MOST Muslims.
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<b>Christianity does not kill members for leaving. Islam does kill members for leaving.”</b>
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My point is this, Elmer: just as we wouldn’t allow extreme Christians in our society to kill based on the religion of others, neither should we accept the Muslims who kill others based on religion – we shouldn’t accept it when Muslims kill other nonbelievers or kill those that convert. However, we shouldn’t condemn Muslims who DON’T kill nonbelievers simply because OTHER Muslims do. The religion itself isn’t to blame; it is those that corrupted the religion that we should condemn. We don’t condemn every Christian for the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church or for the actions of those who bomb abortion clinics, and those who DO condemn every Christian for those actions are wrong to do so.
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Are there questionable passages in the Qur’an that state when people should be killed? Yes, but like I said before most Muslims don’t follow those passages. Most Christians don’t kill people (or at least punish them the way that was proper during past times) who shave their beards, who have safe sex (though some do), who don’t follow proper cleaning rituals during menstruation, who don’t make proper offerings to God, and last but certainly not least, who don’t believe in God (for example Chapter 13 of Deuteronomy explicitly explains that prophets who preach other religious beliefs, family members who convert to other beliefs, and even entire towns that worship other gods need to be killed or destroyed).
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Lay the blame of murder in the name of jihad against those who interpret the teachings of Mohammed to allow murder. That is, you cannot blame Islam for a Muslim who murders nonbelievers any more than we can blame Christianity for a Christian who murdered a nonbeliever. Does it happen more in Muslim culture than Christian culture? Yes. Does that mean we blame all Muslims? Heavens no. We blame radical teachers of Islam and those who murder.
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As for Mr. R – I am not an “Islamist.” Though I find nothing wrong with people who are Muslim, I myself am a Christian. But I’m also a firm believer that I should not condemn other religions for being different; if I were to have that attitude, how could I expect others to consider Christianity? I try to understand all religions as much as I can, and if they’re not bat-sh!t crazy I try to respect them. It is also an American right to choose whatever religion you feel is best for yourself; as an American I will not deny that right to anyone, so long as that religion does not deny rights to others.]]> | <![CDATA[I'm still hoping for you - keep on keeping on!
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<a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10300.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10300.html</a>]]> | <![CDATA[I noticed that ESQ has not replied to my question of yesterday: ESQ are you
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an Islamist? It's a yes or no question, Chris. How about an answer.
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As for the idea that Islam is a religion of peace, we need only look to the
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nation of Iraq for the answer to that question.
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That is in no way a pat on the back for christianity, though. The claim that
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'christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world' is not true. The
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church of christ has had a repulsive history of persecuting other religions
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and even of persecuting other christian sects.
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The ONLY reason that christianity does not present itself as the monster that
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it truly is, here in America, is because of the just laws given by Thomas
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Jefferson and James Madison: By putting all citizens on an equal political
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footing regardless of their religious beliefs or lack thereof, AND by the
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separation of church and State which prohibits the government from making any
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laws on the basis of religion - the wind has thus been taken out of the sails
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of persecution. That would have been a good starting point for Iraq. It is a
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shame that none of our leaders, over there, has an understanding of that most
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fundamental cornerstone of the American Idea or they simply lack the courage
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to present it to the Islamic world.
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That the world of Islam is peopled by persons of such a temperment as to
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receive separation of church and State, still remains to be seen. There is
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hope, though - as Bill Maher puts it: "Texans are blood thirsty and dim,
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but even they learned how to use the electric chair. C'mon, Islam, join
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the 19th century." (from Bill Maher's book, "New Rules.")
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Mr. R.]]> | <![CDATA[Allah was a moon-god in one of the villages that Muhammad spent time in as a youth for which Muhammad found favor in Allah to elevate him.
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Allah is not God. God is not Allah.
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In the Koran (or Qu ran) Allah refers to himself as the "most clever of all liars".This is just one of many reasons why Allah is not God.
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The article I sent you E.S.C. (privately) from Pulpit magazine will explain this in detail.
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Islam and Muhammad deny the deity of Christ.
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God the father does not deny the deity of Christ his only son and savior for all man-kind.
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If a man can get to heaven by following Islam, then what Christ did at the cross was foolish and unnecessary. (Pure heresy.)
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For any reader with the courage to examine how Christianity is NOT compatible with the vile satanic practices of Islam, there is bountiful resource information here:
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<a href="http://www.sfpulpit.com/?s=muslim" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfpulpit.com/?s=muslim</a>
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Passive support (Or any support) of Islam or Muslim agenda is allowing a enemy who has vowed to either kill or enslave you to place his knife at your own throat, and the throat of every non-Muslim in America.
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Now, I do not believe these crazy fabrications that suggest that Obama is of Islam or Muslim agenda. Although I do think Obama is such a flamming liberal that he would demonstrate passive support of Islam, if for no other reason than political correctness.
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Furthermore, the "Islam concerns"? post you made, and the snopes explanation that the Islam presenter was"not a Muslim minister; he was an inmate pressed into service to present a short film on Islam and answer some questions when the prison's Volunteer Coordinator was 'unable to find an Imam to speak.'"
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Although clarity and detail is important, the status of the Islamic presenter does not negate that dynamics described in the initial post.
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The fact is, that All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in Heaven.
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Anyone who rejects the threat of Islam to people of non-Islam status is naive and is paramount as a lamb to the slaughter.
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Christianity is world's most persecuted religion, and missions people I talk to outside of the USA are astonished how Americans do not know this.
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For a portal to such information, see:
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<a href="http://www.persecution.com/news/index.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.persecution.com/news/index.cfm</a>
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Christianity does not kill members for leaving.
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Islam does kill members for leaving.
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Islam reserves the right to kill anyone for saying anything slightly derogatory about Muhammad (the epileptic demon filled man) while trashing the name of Christ ad nausem.
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-3lmer]]> | <![CDATA[I don't have much time to respond to your arguments, Elmer, and I will probably get to your email you sent me on Wednesday. As for your first post, it's phooey; read about it at <a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/allah.asp" rel="nofollow">snopes.com</a>.
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"According to Tim Kniest, Public Information Officer for the Missouri Department of Corrections, the event described was a training program for prison volunteers, for which ministers from several faiths were invited to give presentations in order to acquaint prison volunteers with the varied religious beliefs of the inmate population. The man who gave the presentation about Islam was <u>not</u> a Muslim minister; he was an inmate pressed into service to present a short film on Islam and answer some questions when the prison's Volunteer Coordinator was 'unable to find an Imam to speak.'"
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As for part two of your Islam concerns, you cite two different passages about the Qur'an where it has one passage promoting peace and another one promoting the killing of non-believers. But doesn't the Bible have this very problem?
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<blockquote>"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die." -- Dt.13:6-10 </blockquote>Furthermore, I just want to add one more thing in here: God and Allah are one in the same. Allah is the Arabic word for God. I just want to include that because I think it bears being said. Whether you are Jewish, Christian, or Muslim, we are all descendents of Abraham; we all worship the same God.]]> | <![CDATA[The Qur'an contains its own internal contradictions, such as urging religious tolerance in one place (Surah 2:256) and then commanding Muslims to fight and kill those who do not believe (Surah 9:29; 9:5).
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-3lmer]]> | <![CDATA[
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The Muslim religion in the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States , especially in the minority races!!!
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Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their beliefs.
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I was particularly in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Man gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.
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When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong but I understand that most Islams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven.
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If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?" There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!"
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I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in Heaven. Is that correct?"
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The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to tha t of "a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar."
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He sheepishly replied, "Yes."
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I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope
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John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr.
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Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them
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a place in Heaven. The Imam was speechless.
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I continued, "I also have problem with being your 'friend' when you and
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your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me ask you
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a question. Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in
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order for you to go to Heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because
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I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be there with me?"
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You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.
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Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification'
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training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic
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Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslims' beliefs.
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In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. To elect the
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President!
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I think everyone in the US should be required to read this but with the
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liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this
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will be widely publicized.
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Rick Mathes, is a well known leader in prison ministry.
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Reproduced by "3lmer".]]> | <![CDATA[Mr. R,
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You are the coolest poster on on here. Its so great I have finally found someone else who likes to sit in their elderly parents house in their cheese doodle stained pajamas ranting in the comfort of anonimity. I never had a need to go to college and further educate myself just like you (after all, I live in my parents basement). I also love how you hate those pesky blacks. We all know they are trying to take over the world. You are my hero Mr. R.
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Dave
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P.S. We should meet someday...I'd love to see what a piece of shit like you looks like.]]> | <![CDATA[This is not my post on Milwaukee RnR. I am posting it here for the sake of
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truth and reality. Watch the video and comment, please. Mr. R.
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<a href="http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/rnr/677311421.html" rel="nofollow">http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/rnr/677311421.html</a>]]> | <![CDATA[The false presumption: "...who gets to decide what is to be considered
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offensive? ...the observer gets to decide, not the proclaimer, particualrly
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if the offense they have created is obviously so."
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I fail to see how you can put one in the position of authority over another
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merely because one finds a remark offensive. If you say, "blacks are equal
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to whites," I could just as easily reply, "I'm offended by that false remark."
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But that I am offnded does not give me the right or authority to censor your
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statement. The First Amendment protects all speech, not just what YOU or I
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think is not offensive. Be a real American - defend free speech for even those
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who's remarks you find offensive. Be aware, many find your remarks offensive,
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too.
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An interesting remark: "...what [do] you mean how 'evil' the Holy book of
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Islam really is?" The "Holy" book of Islam? ESQ are you an Islamist? It
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would explain a lot if you are.
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As for which books are evil in the Koran? It was Elmer, not I who made the
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remark, nonetheless - I do observe that they tie people to the stake and
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hurl bricks at them till they die, often for the slightest offense - do they
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not get these ideas from the Koran? Or are they apostates going it on their
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own?
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Earlier, when there was a discussion about people being offended by writings, I believe I pointed out that the word "Negro" is considered by many to be an offensive term to use when describing black people. You disagreed, and questioned who gets to decide what is to be considered offensive. Well, that all depends on the forum. Here, the majority gets to decide which posts are worth flagging or not. At work, whoever hears you gets to decide whether and to what degree they have been offended. In summation, the observer gets to decide, not the proclaimer, particularly if the offense they have caused is obviously so.
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Talking about a religion that is foreign to you, as though you can summarily denounce all people who would dare follow such a cause, is without merit, and without requisite aforethought. I was not on the high school debate team, but I would presume the most effective manner of beginning a debate is to make an argument, and provide evidence for that argument. So please, do provide some evidence to indicate that the hundreds of millions of peaceful muslims are somehow comparable to the extremists, as though we as christians should have to answer for the actions of David Koresh.
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I am not muslim, but I am troubled to see the indication of thinking in such generalities. That post is a perfect example of what is wrong with America's perception of Islam. Next someone will be going on about Obama being a Muslim, I presume.
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Postings like this are why I do not partake in more arguments on this board (well coupled with the fact that I don't want to divulge too much personal information to the racists). The post, when considered with the somewhat disturbing image, appears to be more than a benign search for the truth. The words are written as though they were true. Now attempt to back them up, and perhaps there will ensue a worthwhile discussion---though I doubt it since you appear so knowledgeable on this subject already.]]> | <![CDATA[Before I get into yet another heated debate about religion with you, Elmer, I think it'd do us well to discuss which specific "evil" passages you are talking about that are within the 114 books of the Qur'an (which are the books of Sura that you talked about). Not every book in the Qur'an espouses violence; take <a href="http://historyofideas.org/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=HolKora.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public∂=1&division=div1" rel="nofollow">"The Opening"</a>, of which the most violent verse is the last:
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"...The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray."
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Certainly the Bible has said similar things in the past.
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So I believe you need to tell us specifically what you mean by how "evil" the Holy book of Islam really is...cite specific passages if you can. Then we can have a lengthy debate about it. Of course, you already know what position I'm going to take on it...but still, worth discussing.]]> | <![CDATA[OK pundits...
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I prefer a civil dialog with Mr.R.
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And I argued passionately against racism.
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However, when it comes to Islam, politics must take a scrutinizing turn.
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Islam is evil.
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Islam seeks to kill or enslave non-Islamic persons.
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People who refer to Islam as a peace-loving religion have not explored the Surah books of the Qu-Ran.
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People of Islam want to see America and Americans burn.
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To hell with Islam.
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-3lmer ]]> | <![CDATA[Halal delights anyone?
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<a href="http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/03/weve_already_se.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/03/weve_already_se.html</a>]]> | <![CDATA[Mr.R,
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I share your past time of internet car part purchasing and home repair of said automobiles.
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And I love a good Milwaukee style fish fry. (Cliffords was the gold standard. Serb Hall was good, too. When in Waukesha, I recommend Machine Shed.)
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As stated, I opt for the coffee instead of the beer.
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(For me, "one was too many and a thousand was never enough" when it came to beer! Paradoxically, that is why I don't have any at all anymore-as stated.))
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<br>
Because you can wage a good and clever debate, Mr. R. I want to encourage you to make your intellectual conjecture without the sarcasm or insult if for no other reason as that (from debate studies) that aggressiveness & name calling detracts from credibility (or a "hot head" effect).
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Passiveness is not effective either.
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Assertiveness is usually the best avenue.
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But I would not accuse MR.R. of passiveness.)
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<br>
-3lmer
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]]> | <![CDATA[Wow! I never in a million years would have thought that was your background -
<br>
really. I was sure you were some out-of-touch suburbanite who stopped question-
<br>
ing life's assumptions at the age of tweleve because your preacher told you it
<br>
would be a sin not to. (Really, I know people like that - they just stop asking
<br>
questions and simply follow orders. They truly disgust me.)
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<br>
As for regretting you confessions as they may be used against you later, I will
<br>
try (though fallible I am like any) not to use them against you. As a matter of
<br>
fact, I will make a confession to you - though mine is not as dramatic as yours
<br>
is. I, myself, admit that I drink, and rather heavily at times, BUT IT'S NOT A
<br>
PROBLEM. Haw haw haw.
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<br>
I wish I had some more computer time, today - I would turn you on to something
<br>
called Transactional Analysis. Perhaps tomorrow or in the near future.
<br>
<br>
Wasted most of the day hunting car parts: With the front end of the car dis-
<br>
assembled, I discovered that the tie rods that were sent to me ALL had bad
<br>
threads on their shafts - had to put all the old parts back on and go hunting
<br>
for others ones. Damned Chinese - they don't even know how to make screws!
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<br>
Well - off to the Fish Fry, and then the bar.
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<br>
BTW - I really appreciate the 'Mr. R.' thing - though I was getting rather
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attached to ERT, too. ]]> | <![CDATA["In the two months and 8 days since the petition began, less than 2000
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signatures ...impressive." It didn't look like it would be necessary after
<br>
the Ohio and Pennsylvania primaries. I first herd of the petition, myself,
<br>
yesterday. It's called a grassroots effort - unlike your mule who has been
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funded and raise by the Republican Party since 2006. ...impressive, indeed!
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<br>
"Get over it ...you're racism is really transparent ..." What? Have I ever
<br>
hidden my racism? I have ever been transparent and truthful about my position
<br>
on all matters. Unlike your 'little mule' who for twenty years sat in a black
<br>
racist church yet pretends to be against racism. What a fraud he is - what a
<br>
fool you are!
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<br>
"...Grow up." Now them's fightin words - especially coming from such a wet-
<br>
behind-the-ears punk like you. There you sit, backing a republican party backed
<br>
spoiler - who has no chance to win in November - and tell me to grow up? You
<br>
are a totally useless fool! Thanks punk, just what America needs, four more
<br>
years of a republican in the white house. I would say I can't wait until we
<br>
have that great soon-to-come split in the party and we throw your type of
<br>
useless radical trash out - but I am rather convinced you are actually a
<br>
Republican, who, just for this season, pretends to be a Democrat.]]> | <![CDATA[I am no longer comfortable calling E.R.T. as such.
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So I now decided to call him "Mr.R."
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(Albeit that "R" is for Racist.)
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Nonetheless, I was rather moved by Mr.R's brief historical account on how he became the (albeit angry and caustic) liberal & racist pundit of CL-Milwaukee.
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<br>
I have not always been the Bible-thumping NeoCon misfit that you have all hate & only grown to tolerate. (Albeit E.S.C. was rather forgiving pretty quickly.)
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Raised in a good Greenfield home and family of 5, I developed a rather aggressive appetite for "euphoriants" at a young age. My Dad was rather blessed by the U.A.W. as a skilled precision machinist & grinder with a good paying job.
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I was raised democrat, and hated what I called "the corporate swill".
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My political influences ranged from Frank Zappa to classic Democrat party lines.
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My whole family was democrats.
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I began a criminal career in sales of "street pharmaceuticals" at the ripe age of 14...Daily marijuana use soon after...popping valium like mad, having beer for breakfast...cocaine by age 15...using heroin by 16...to name just a few.
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In the 80's my "side-line" cocaine sale surpassed marijuana sales, using a street value of $1400 on cocaine per week, having beer with a methadone chaser by 19...Hepatitis C & dirty needle to follow soon after.
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I was not responsible for anything...raised with cultural southside racist values.. would not do illict trade with blacks because I could see their rip-off strategies. (Which meant I had instead gotten ripped off by crafty older white drug addicts.)
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I cursed in my moments of anguish against God and wondered why God would not strike me dead when I mocked him.(?)
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Having become emotionally whacked & unstable and physically dependent on alcohol & poly-drug use,
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On 8/6/85 My being "born again" had started compliments of West Allis undercover police and their rather assertive SWAT team.
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After the legal stripping of my worldly possessions, I landed my sorry self in a halfway house for addicts and alcoholics.
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I was taught the wisdom of Bill W. and Dr.Bob, and prospered from their teachings. The old Men in the Racine Alano Club had gotten me to see I was a modern day "prodigal son", that it would soon be time for me to turn from the Dead Kennedy's or Jim Morrison value systems. That I and we, are responsible for ourselves and the choices we make. That my attitude of entitlement had to die.
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When I asked advice on how recoup illicit drug profits back from non-paying "fronts" (for my fund my legal defense), it was the black men I met that had the courage to set me straight.
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(The white guys later said they would not call me on my criminality 'because they liked me'...and because we were in "white guys" caucus mode...something called "criminal code")
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One day while conversing with a male prostitute (in the halfway house) I began my reconstruct of values...no more of the "anything goes"...Frederick Nietzsche (albeit having a couple of good quotes) yet is overwhelmingly full of crap.
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I have become skilled in the paradox of being strong in my powerlessness
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(12 step theory) After 19 years of 12 step, I found countless steps of the bible, and the teaching of Jesus Christ.
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My "recovery" discipline is now "Bible powered". 12 steps just got too easy for me after 2005.
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I'll just assume you pundits will figure out how NeoCon conversion became a part of my process and manifest destiny as described in Romans 8:28 & 29.
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I have found immeasurable profit in NEVER having alcohol or illicit drugs in over 22 years.
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<br>
Eastside Chris had either directly (or indirectly?) influenced me to consider voting for Obama because I wanted to punish (the repugs?) for abandoning their conservative base with conservative under-miner like McCain.
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But the future of the Supreme court called for me to (reluctantly) decide to support McCain.
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Maybe I'll regret my confessions later? Might be used against me?
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I guess. After all, we're fallible humans.
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<br>
So, now you know why 3lmer J. NeoCon was a teenage communist werewolf.
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Sort of ;)
Viva La Coffee !
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<br>
]]> | <![CDATA[In the two months and 8 days since the petition began, less than 2,000 signatures...impressive. I'm sure the DNC will side against Obama due to this little project, especially when over 16 MILLION Americans in the Democratic primaries have voted FOR him.
<br>
<br>
Get over it...you're racism is really transparent. Grow up.]]> | <![CDATA[Here is a link where you can petition the DNC and tell them that if they select
<br>
Obama as their candidate, you will vote against him in November.
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<br>
<a href="http://thepetitionsite.com/1/pledge-to-vote-against-obama-in-the-general-election" rel="nofollow">http://thepetitionsite.com/1/pledge-to-vote-against-obama-in-the-general-election</a>
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<br>
Maybe we can help the democrats. They are headed for a sure loss, in November,
<br>
if they choose Obama.]]> | <![CDATA[I'm as white as they get, actually I am more pail than most white guys! I grew up on a farm in Central Wisconsin. I work my butt off everyday delivering products to grocery stores, I'm no egg head or elitist. I met Barack and Hillary when they were campaigning here in Wisconsin and he came across to me to me MUCH more sincere about knowing and genuinely caring about the struggles that people like me, a working-class white American, endure every day. My priest (I'm Catholic) has said a lot of things that I don't agree with and that would be downright offensive to non-catholics if someone heard him saying them. I don't hold his views on some things but I respect him as a minister and frankly it's tough leaving the church I spent the last 14 years. So don't tell me that Obama is racist because of that man I don't buy that for a second. And about bitter small town folks... I AM BITTER. I don't have a lot of guns and I'm not a bible freak, but I pretty much cling to my ATVs and Snowmobiles when I'm feeling depressed about my job or that I'm not where I want to be in life... He is right on about that, didn't piss me off at all. So you can take your opinions and stick 'em, because I'm sure you didn't meet the man and you probably don't get any more information that what Fox News feeds into your brain. Barack Obama will be the next President, and he will be one of the greatest we've ever had. BET ON IT.]]> | <![CDATA[This must be from Repugsforobama.org - the same line of garbage they used to
<br>
sell us the worst President America has ever had - ugly lil W. Yup, W's gone,
<br>
now it's time for right-wing trash to elect a new beer buddy.
<br>
<br>
I'd rather have a good President (or should I say PresidentS) like Clinton,
<br>
than have a beer with a black islamo-facist racist like Obamule any day.
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<br>
How could anyone, who is not black, ever consider voting for Obamule? I just
<br>
don't get it.
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<br>
]]> | <![CDATA[If you would rather get a beer with Obama than the other candidates, let your fellow motorists know how you feel.
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<br>
www.cafepress.com/beerwithobama
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<br>
They say he's out of touch with the working man, I say he'd be a better drinking buddy than a grouchy ex-first lady or a creepy old republican.]]> | <![CDATA[I reiterate my earlier sentiment, ERT, that if you post on CL, you leave a link to your email address with each and every post. I see you are as frightened of emails as you are of people who are not the same color as you.
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<br>
I thought you racists were strong wolves, impervious to little things like a dude emailing you to make fun of your post about him getting flagged off (note, the post did refer to me as a c*nt).
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<br>
I am rather surprised to see that your post that you admit to making--which is clearly a violation of the CL TOU, in that you post my email address--has lasted so long. Maybe you should email the "cyber police" at cl and see what they think about that? Either way, I love watching you whine and squirm like the scared little old racist that you are. I will not be leaving this forum, so I suggest you either try being right about one thing, ever, or be subject to continued reminders of your wrongness for eternity.
<br>
<br>
Remember what I told you, if you look around and see only hero's and women, then guess what, YOU are the bad guy. I am surprised to see you hold on to your foul and errant ideals so tightly after more than a year (nearly two, if your figures about November 2006 happen to be the first time you have told the truth in your life).
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<br>
Your postings about me show you to be:
<br>
<br>
1. Dishonest
<br>
<br>
2. Scared
<br>
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3. Wrong
<br>
<br>
I think DSW would be a more befitting aconymological tribute to your breed.]]> | <![CDATA[This is shaping up to be quite something - The Clinton's are going to contest
<br>
what the number of delegates needed for the democratic nomination, and the lil
<br>
mule says he's going to declare victory before he gets to 2025.
<br>
<br>
<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080508/pl_politico/10184" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080508/pl_politico/10184</a>
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<br>
Even though both sides say they will support each other in the general election,
<br>
I think the stage is set for the fur-to-fly in June and July. If we can't have
<br>
Clinton, then let us have a split in the Democratic Party - one that will throw
<br>
trash like Howard Dean and the other 'special interest radicals' out of the
<br>
party!!!
<br>
<br>
It is sad that it has come to this, but, it's for the good of the party and
<br>
the good of the nation. The question is: can America survive another 4 years
<br>
with a Republican President?
<br>
]]> | <![CDATA[I shall not waste anymore time about meme except to say this: She now has a
<br>
post, here, called 'Trolls are funny.' In it, she does have two of my posts
<br>
listed - I own them both. One to elmer on various topic, here in Politics and
<br>
another in RnR where I post meme's emial address after she emailed me making
<br>
a false accusation about a post she flagged off - mistaking it for mine. Meme,
<br>
take your meds and stop emailing me (the gaul that she would accuse me of being
<br>
a stalker?!! I'm not emailing you, bitch - you're emailing me.) You're sick -
<br>
go away or I'll called the cyber police at craigslist.
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<br>
Stop poluting this site with your bs, meme. If you have something to say about
<br>
politics, then do it - otherwise - stay the hell out of this site! Post your
<br>
love letters in RnR not in the Politics Section NOR my email box!
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]]> | <![CDATA[So, then, what you are saying is, that this person
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<br>
<a href="http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/rnr/672832647.html" rel="nofollow">http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/rnr/672832647.html</a>
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<br>
who discusses hairy hands, which I mentioned in politics, not rnr, is not you?
<br>
<br>
Stupid racists are not only fuzzy little bunnies, they are funny too.
<br>
<br>
Making up names, trying to pin me to a woman who appears to have died in '94.
<br>
<br>
Your defamatory skills fail you once again, as I just think this whole thing is hilarious. Did I mention that I only use my email address for CL? Keep posting it, stalker man. You will not determine my identity. I wonder if you expect me to post my real name by making up fake ones?
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<br>
Either way, have a great day, and enjoy wasting your time trying to make me look bad. I think it is funny. What a happy existence you must lead.........
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<br>
Good luck, and may God help you find understanding, love, and the drive to do something other than type nonsense all day long.
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<br>
Do you never tire of being wrong?
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<br>
For clarification to readers who might mistake this man's words for a sane human being:
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<br>
1. I sent an email to the poster of <a href="http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/pol/668830921.html" rel="nofollow">http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/pol/668830921.html</a> yesterday. I sent it because "someone" (aka ERT) had made a posting about me that was rather salty about something I said against racism. I saw that it was quickly flagged away, so I decided to send an email to ERT via the above message to see whether he was still as silly as always.
<br>
<br>
2. A post appeared in RNR referring to the email that I sent to the above poster, this one <a href="http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/rnr/672021482.html" rel="nofollow">http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/rnr/672021482.html</a> to be exact. Surely the post shouldn't last long, what, since it has my email address in it and all, but magically it remains. Almost as though someone who knows that if you flag a post for "best of" using multiple ip's that it will last longer.
<br>
<br>
3. This doesn't bother me, I just want to point out what a true coward this man is, to not take ownership for his actions once again---solidifying the belief that racism is based solely on fear. That, my dear friends, is f*cking hilarious.]]> | <![CDATA[Today, Meme is making false claims about my posting on RnR. She seems to think
<br>
that she flagged one of my posts off and that she emailed my address - what a
<br>
sorry loser you are meme. I had no post flagged off, yesterday. It must have
<br>
been someone else who hates you. There are many that do - not just me. I recall
<br>
that you had a long battle, on RnR, with someone who had the handle of 'his
<br>
realness.' There are also many white racists on Milwaukee's RnR - I can only
<br>
proudly claim that I was the first to start the Pro-White thread, on Milwaukee
<br>
RnR, back in November of 2006.
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<br>
Why don't you make sure that you have the right person before you accuse?
<br>
<br>
We had a long time without you - either on RnR or Politics. Those were the good
<br>
old days. What happened - did you go off your meds?]]> | <![CDATA[<a href="http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/rnr/672021482.html" rel="nofollow">http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/rnr/672021482.html</a>
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<br>
A couple of points, not related much to politics:
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<br>
-click the above link. I sent an email response to one of ERT's postings on this very bulletin board, in the politics section, where we are right at this very moment. I did make fun of ERT for being flagged off from RNR, only because someone had posted some rather virulent words about me on that board, and I saw that the post was appropriately flagged away.
<br>
<br>
-note that the coward insists on posting my personal email address. I understand that you are frustrated with the way "nobody understands you," and whatever, but this act just solidifies your standing (and all racists really) as cowards behind computer screens. Poor little misunderstood ERT.
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<br>
How boring.
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<br>
John McCain, in an unrelated story, was on the Daily Show last night. Efforts to increase perceived "coolness" may prove mildly successful. I worry more about the long nights on the campaign trail as November draws near--I mean, at his age............:D]]> | <![CDATA[McCain is now starting to court blue-collar democrats - his campaign says,
<br>
"If McCain were to get 20 percent nationally of blue-collar Democrats, he
<br>
wins."
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<br>
<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20080507/ts_csm/amccain" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20080507/ts_csm/amccain</a>
<br>
<br>
Polls have indicated that 30 percent of Clinton's supporters WILL NOT vote
<br>
for Obama, in November.
<br>
<br>
So, if the democrat's super-delegates are stupid enough to put his muleshipness
<br>
as their Presidential candidate, then MCCAIN WINS!!! YUK!!!]]> | <![CDATA[Welcome back, pundits!
<br>
<br>
Mr.R,
<br>
I prefer civil discussion.
<br>
Thank you for helping me to understand how you became you.
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I have likened us to having a "Jedi & Sith" relations.
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I understand you were mistreated by blacks.
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I have been mistreated. The fact that my assailants were Caucasian has not consoled me.
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It is hard to make peace with assailants.
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When I refuse to do so, they diminish my enjoyment of life, prevent me from enjoying a meal on occasions, and sometimes take rental space in my brain which interrupts a good night's sleep.
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In my case, I had times when the residual wound was worse than the initial offense.
<br>
Klingons quote Shakespeare: "Revenege is a dish best served cold".
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I guess I got tired of being cold after a while.
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<br>
Hello MeMe,
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I went looking for you on Mr. R's advice in RnR.
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It was too caustic an environment for me.
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Saw some nice tits posted there, which violated some of my spiritual commitments.
<br>
Eccentric persons are part of life's rich pageant.
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True, McCain's age concerns me. However, for an old guy, he looks in good health to me. I am anxious to see who McCain selects as VP candidate.
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It would be OK if you are female, MeMe. But I'll take your word for it that you are male. (Not that it matters.)
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After all, this is a political forum.
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<br>
EastSide Chris...
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Hey Dad to be!
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Your post from today reflects the facts-based class I have grown to expect from you.
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I am tempted to scam your IP address & tell Obama's camp that you should be Obama's VP.
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I think Hillary's ego will not allow her to be Obama's VP even though the Dems would love it.
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<br>
-3lmer
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<br>
]]> | <![CDATA[Last night's results indicated that Barack Obama will become the eventual nominee for the Democratic Party. I asserted this point earlier, to which I was questioned about it by Elmer. Elmer, I hope last night's results convince you as well that Obama is the heir-apparent to the Democratic nomination. :-D
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<br>
Hillary will continue to run, but she will not win. Her nomination, then, will become a nagging reminder to Obama that her campaign was able to get a large minority of voters to chose her side, forcing him to select her as his vice presidential candidate (for fear of distancing the support he needs that she has).
<br>
<br>
This will have two consequences: first, the media will paint a picture of how both Obama and Clinton were at each other's throats during the campaign, but somehow now are able to reconcile. This could be negative for the Democratic Party, since it casts the ticket as "unstable."
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<br>
Second, the Republicans, instead of having one candidate to chastise for the remainder of the election year, will have both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton to critique in their run-up to November. If McCain plays his cards right and picks a Republican VP that is highly respected (say, Chuck Hagel or someone near his stature) the GOP could have the stronger ticket.
<br>
<br>
He will absolutely not pick Condi Rice as his vp. I don't think she really wants to be in that position, and McCain is trying to distance himself from Bush; appointing Rice as his vp candidate would be a step in the wrong direction towards that end.
<br>
<br>
In either case, I still believe the election is going to be very close. Anti-Republican hostility in America is still strong, if not stronger, since the 2006 midterms. Americans are still looking for "change," something that both Democratic "candidates" represent more than McCain does. And an Obama-Clinton ticket represents a strong force: "younger" Democrats and established Dems coming together to unite under one ticket. ]]> | <![CDATA[You are, perhaps, a very hairy handed woman. Later, bitch!
<br>
<br>
BTW - they want over in RnR. (Okay that's a lie. They don't want you either. I
<br>
thought I could tempt you to leave the Politics section.)]]> | <![CDATA["Your theory that MeMe is the same person who lead the flagging attack also
<br>
crossed my mind ...My inclination was to take MeMe at (his) word that MeMe is
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a male."
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With a name like MeMe, it's so much more likely the poster is female or else
<br>
a raving queen. MeMe is always righteous and holy - 'I don't hate you...' she
<br>
said, but then insulted me by calling me a 'little fuzy bunny.' If you don't
<br>
hate MeMe, it's just because you don't know her well enough. Trust me, over
<br>
time, you too will hate MeMe, like everyone else who has encountered her on
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CL Milwaukee.
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Pretty much anybody who gets to know me hates me. That's a given. You, sir, do not know me. I am a man, but think it is funny that certain people have always regarded me as a female due solely to my invoking enough anger in ERT for he and other racists to call me a c*nt (I don't think we can swear on the politics board). I have, admittedly, made a couple of racists angry in my writings over the years. I think this is funny, which is my weakness. People who have no control over their emotions are hilarious to me, so even in a workplace setting, if people get upset beyond their control, my response is typically laughter.
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Even when I am wrong, I admit it and laugh. People being wrong is funny, hence people who think I am a woman are funny.
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<br>
Make no mistake, 3lmer, the lack of acknowledgment of my gender is a purposeful and cheap tactic undertaken to try to relieve me of some of my overburdening credibility.
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To the likely shegrin of trolls and racists everywhere, insipid nonsense, contrary to reality, only makes me stronger.
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<br>
That having been said, 3lmer, I do not recall your ever having commented on the age and condition of the candidate you support.
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<br>
I wouldn't trust John McCain to drive on the highway, let alone run this nation. He would be the oldest president ever. Doesn't this trouble you even slightly? Do you not worry about his VP selection, as that person has relatively high odds of serving as President (or they would, if McCain could be elected)?
<br>
<br>
And ERT, I called you a little fuzzy bunny because your words (on race) make you sound more like a bunny than a wolf, as your mindless cohorts enjoy being called. I believe you misconstrued this very purposeful statement. In case, I reiterate:
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<br>
You are not a wolf, you are a little fuzzy bunny.
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<br>
Perhaps that reads as written by a woman, but trust me, my hands are way too hairy.]]> | <![CDATA[Just in time. <a href="http://www.nobamademocrats.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nobamademocrats.com/</a>
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<br>
Well, I hope it's in time to save this country.
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<a href="http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/pol/669476231.html" rel="nofollow">http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/pol/669476231.html</a>
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]]> | <![CDATA[Elmer, I really enjoyed your reply - I will keep in 'like tone' as long as you do.
<br>
<br>
"You, ERT, are a curious paradox: you read more book[s] about biblical accounts
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...than most christians do ...except you do it for the purpose and motive of
<br>
attacking and undermining christianity."
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<br>
That's the Thomas Paine way - he is the man who set my mind free from the bonds
<br>
of christianity. You see, I was raised in a very religious family, and we also
<br>
had a lot of tragic events in our family. Those circumstances made me, at one
<br>
time (believe it or not), a very religious person. As a matter of fact, I was
<br>
even studying to become a minister, at one time - this of course meant that I
<br>
was doing a lot of reading of the bible.
<br>
<br>
It is ironic how came to longer believe in the bible: It was the writings of David Barton and William Federer, of all things, that lead me to examine the
<br>
writings of Thomas Jefferson and other American Founders. Barton and Federer's
<br>
books presented a Thomas Jefferson that was very different than what I receiv-
<br>
ed in Public Schools. I went to investigate and found that the Public School's
<br>
version was an accurate, although watered down, version of Jefferson. (Federer &
<br>
Barton's version was a complete pack of lies, BTW.) At any rate, it was Jeffer-
<br>
son's work that referred to Thomas Paine often. Being so pleased with Jefferson
<br>
I thought I would check out Mr. Paine's work - I then discovered "The Age of
<br>
Reason," as well as his other theological works, and within a matter of weeks
<br>
(perhaps days) I was set free of the bondage of trinitarian christianity.
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<br>
I work against christianity because it is a foreign religion, foreign to
<br>
western civilization - a polution in our society that needs to be removed.
<br>
<br>
I find it funny - your graphic at the bottom of your post: 'Communism - it's a
<br>
party.' The father of modern Communism was Carl Marx - another ex-christian
<br>
minister. Even funnier - he was a communist because of the teachings of jesus
<br>
christ - the true father of communism.
<br>
<br>
"Your theory that MeMe is the same person who lead the flagging attack also
<br>
crossed my mind ...My inclination was to take MeMe at (his) word that MeMe is
<br>
a male."
<br>
<br>
With a name like MeMe, it's so much more likely the poster is female or else
<br>
a raving queen. MeMe is always righteous and holy - 'I don't hate you...' she
<br>
said, but then insulted me by calling me a 'little fuzy bunny.' If you don't
<br>
hate MeMe, it's just because you don't know her well enough. Trust me, over
<br>
time, you too will hate MeMe, like everyone else who has encountered her on
<br>
CL Milwaukee.
<br>
<br>
"I must conclude that you conceal your racism when serving the Hillary cam-
<br>
paign." Sad but true - I don't like a lot of things about the Clintons, but
<br>
they are the best we currently have, sad to say. There is still hope of a
<br>
great split in the Democratic Party, this summer - I'll have to keep my fingers
<br>
crossed on that one.
<br>
<br>
"I will reconsider your denial of 'troll' status." That would be nice, at least
<br>
for the sake of accuracy. And on that matter, drop the "Evil" part, too. If you
<br>
had suffered half of what I have, at the hands of blacks in my lifetime, you
<br>
would be a white racist, too.
<br>
<br>
BTW- 'Elephant in the room' post - (Prothink.org), not mine. ]]> | <![CDATA[<a href="http://www.prothink.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.prothink.org</a>]]> | <![CDATA[
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No, I have not forgotten that it was you E.R.T. (although you were nameless in those days)that had asked for a reprieve on the "flagging me off" of CL-Milwaukee.
<br>
<br>
I had a strange sense of gratitude then.
<br>
The truth is, for better or worse, we both have been known to enjoy a good sparring argument.
<br>
Indeed, the Ezekiel episode (and some others) had been quite heated.
<br>
<br>
I had not forgotten that E.S.C. is expecting a child.
<br>
I thought the child was due in June?
<br>
Either way, he is a busy man.
<br>
<br>
I had episodes of examining RnR. I doubt if I ever posted there.
<br>
Your theory that MeMe is the same person who lead the flagging attack against me also crossed my mind.
<br>
My inclination was to take MeMe at (his) word that MeMe is a male.
<br>
Although internet anonymity does render some to be untruthful.
<br>
<br>
For the record: I never threatened anyone. I did find an art graphic of a skull & cross bones that had a caption that said "repent or die" that I only intended as an art graphic.
<br>
Whoever that person was either intentionally or unintentionally misunderstood the art graphic image. I had actually meant it as humor.
<br>
<br>
Although I perceive you (E.R.T.) as a rather adversarial identity, I must say you rarely miss a posting error on anyone you are sparring with.
<br>
<br>
Sometimes I write post responses on lunch or break time at work, which lends me to make citing errors.
<br>
Like "Book Smear Exposed." I should have known that was not your post.
<br>
Unlike you, E.R.T., who appears to keep serious track of past postings.
<br>
<br>
Funny, E.R.T. that the God you don't believe in uses you in my life to expose the inappropriate, foul, and un-Christ like responses that live within my own heart.
<br>
You see, whether if your postings are infuriating or not, I am still supposed to remain appropriate. Obviously, I had moments of miserable failure.
<br>
<br>
You, E.R.T. are a curious paradox: You read more book about Biblical accounts and characters than most Christians do...except you do it for the purpose and motive of attacking and undermining Christianity.
<br>
<br>
I have admitted several times that I know you are educated & not stupid.
<br>
It is what you do with your intelligence that I find concerning or misguided.
<br>
You are passionate in your anti-Christ beliefs and anti-conservative, pro-socialist politics.
<br>
On the other hand I have also submitted that your passions have rendered you caustic and assuming on a superiority that is not necessarily true.
<br>
<br>
My Christianity and support (or Ministry) to Blacks, along with my politics seem very melded and seamless to my own self. It is all connected.
<br>
Being who you are, I can expect nothing else than for you to attack these areas of thought.
<br>
<br>
Again: I must conclude that you conceal your racism when serving the Hillary campaign. I doubt those dems would include you if you were "out on front street" with your racist points of view.
<br>
<br>
I will reconsider your denial of "troll" status.
<br>
Then I might have to refer to you as just "E.R." rather than E.R.T???
<br>
<br>
-3lmer]]> | <![CDATA[That's why I tell people to vote Ron Paul as he is the only true republican who wants jobs and a better way of life for all of us.
<br>
<br>
Give Ron Paul a chance and look into what he is about. I think he may open your eyes to a whole new world of how politics should be run. And that is to make sure the people are taken care of first and not to bother with the worlds problems. To change our foriegn policy in the middle east to where their is peace. We keep showing the world we want war and they will fight to get nukes.
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<br>
So I say Ron Paul in 2008.
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<br>
<a href="http://www.ronpaul2008.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ronpaul2008.com/</a> ]]> | <![CDATA[I think he is the best man for the job. All the other candidates are just hot air speakers. He is the only man that stands by and for the Constitution. And what upsets me is that people call them selves Americans when in all reality they are sell outs. Voting for McCain, Obama or Hilary will not change America. People like them have sold us out to Mexico, China and the Arabs. So wake up people as Ron Paul is still in the race and still has a lot of money.
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<br>
Watch this and then look into what he is about. Everything he said has happened and this was all told to us during the debates. Funny thing is all the Candidates laughed at him. Well who is laughing now and has shown he is a true American..Ron Paul is his name. So when you vote this year think about what happened when Bush won. Years of bull shit and lies and a deficit that will never go down. Think back when Clinton was in and how he may have made jobs but he also sold us out to Canada and Mexico for those jobs in the future. Same old crap but this time you have the chance to bring this country back to the way the founding fathers intended it to be.
<br>
<br>
Read the Constitution and see how many of your rights have been taken away all in the name of the Patriot Act. Also I bet 8 out of 10,000 people have read the Patriot Act. Educate your selves and start being a smart American and not a dumb one which is how they like us.
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<br>
<br>
Here is the video.
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<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3MLTvYBQy" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3MLTvYBQy</a>]]> | <![CDATA["I regret what has happened on CL-Milwaukee politics. I was once dubbed the
<br>
identity 'that was destroying CL-Milwaukee political post.' Frankly, I'd say
<br>
that title belongs to you, ERT. I cannot blame ESQ or Me Me for not posting
<br>
here much anymore. ...I don't know if ESQ or MeMe have found ERT too caustic
<br>
and obnoxious (and too much trouble) to bother with."
<br>
<br>
I remember when you received that title - do you recall that you were being
<br>
flagged off here, and someone wrote 'An Appeal regarding Elmer' which pled
<br>
that your posts should not be flagged? I wrote that Appeal. That was back
<br>
in the day, November 2007 to be exact, that we were the only two posting in
<br>
this section - we had a rather lengthy discussion about the writings found
<br>
in "Eusebius' History of the Church, from Christ to Constantine." Also, we
<br>
had a rather heated (and thanks to your replys, colorful) argument about the
<br>
4th chapter of the book of Ezekiel.
<br>
<br>
ESQ then entered the picture. I think I recall that he was interested in our
<br>
theological arguments. You apparently have forgotten that Chris announced
<br>
the 'soon to be' birth of their infant - and saying that life was too busy to
<br>
post much, here. (Though I suspect the real reason ESQ has disappeared is
<br>
because of the embarrassing revelations that Obama is the monster that I
<br>
said he was all along.)
<br>
<br>
As for MeMe - she is a troll (I highly suspect that she was the one that was
<br>
organizing the 'flag fest' against your posts, here). She is currently troll-
<br>
ing on the Milwaukee RnR section. If you miss her that much, why not go there
<br>
and say hello.
<br>
<br>
I should also let you know that I did not post "Book Smear Exposed." Unlike
<br>
you, I'm against the death penalty - that's because I don't want the govern-
<br>
ment to have authority to kill any human being. I don't trust government that
<br>
much. (Hey, who is the 'true conservative' here, anyway?)
<br>
<br>
I have just gotten a new book called, "The Brother of Jesus." I have only had
<br>
time to read the introduction, but the author is examining all know writings
<br>
of the early church, with regard to James (author of the Epistle of James.)
<br>
The author's thesis is that James, not Peter or Paul, was the real 'first
<br>
Bishop' of the early church. I think I'm going to be in for some excellent
<br>
reading and I am excited about another perspective into the early development
<br>
of the church.
<br>
<br>
So don't feel bad about this section - it had quite a run during the Wisconsin
<br>
Primary, and it is now dying back down to the dead section that it always was.
<br>
(It is the same in all cities, BTW. Most people post their political stuff in
<br>
the RnR section.)
<br>
<br>
Anyway - you see, you have it all wrong about me. I do not post to troll, but
<br>
to provoke thought. My goal is to smash taboos that are destroying our city
<br>
and nation. As you seem unwilling to examine your foolish beliefs about the
<br>
blacks that are destroying our city, shall I switch to attacking your hereti-
<br>
cal theological beliefs? ERT
<br>
<br>
<br>
]]> | <![CDATA[I was a Pat Buchanan supporter in the past.
<br>
Generally I liked the article, although I did not like all of it's word selection.
<br>
I found it hard to believe Buchanan would use the term "Whitey".
<br>
I was not able to disprove any alterations by means of "Snopes" urban legend debunking tool via internet resource.
<br>
<br>
I did not care for the article or post "Book Smear Exposed .*. Mumia Abu Jamal Is Innocent - (No Death Penalty in US)"
<br>
I skimmed it quickly and concluded it was not worthy of my attention.
<br>
I choose to not have an opinion on Mumia Abu Jamal at this time.
<br>
<br>
I, 3lmer, being the NeoCon I am, support the death penalty.
<br>
<br>
I regret what has happened on CL-Milwaukee's politics.
<br>
I was once dubbed the identity "that was destroying CL-Milwaukee political post".
<br>
<br>
Frankly, I'd say that title belongs to you, E.R.T.
<br>
<br>
I cannot blame E.S.C. or Me Me for NOT posting here much anymore.
<br>
<br>
E.R.T. functions not for debate or conjecture, but rather for:
<br>
(1)illusion of dominance.
<br>
(2) a vain and egotistical quest to "be the right one", or "top dog".
<br>
(3) E.R.T. functions as a person that proclaims anyone who disagrees with E.R.T. "is a chuckle head" (whatever that is?)" or "empty headed losers"...setting E.R.T. up as the authority of truth.
<br>
<br>
E.R.T. is:
<br>
...not right
<br>
...is not top dog
<br>
...and is not the authority of truth.
<br>
<br>
E.R.T. is a man with an opinion that he is entitled to, no matter how ill that opinion is to me.
<br>
<br>
I don't know if E.S.C. or Me Me have found E.R.T. as too caustic and obnoxious
<br>
(and too much trouble) to bother with.
<br>
If so, I could not blame them.
<br>
<br>
Coping with E.R.T. reminds me of Don Quiote jousting wind mills.
<br>
<br>
-3lmer
<br>
]]> | <![CDATA[I'm sorry but your last post was boring (except the question about the super
<br>
delegate increase for Obama as his campaign goes down in flames). It is al-
<br>
ready a known fact that you think I'm a white racist, and I make no denial of
<br>
it.
<br>
<br>
I posted two very good posts, here on Wednesday: The Rove Connection with
<br>
the Obama campaign, and the excellet essay about black racism, by Buchanan.
<br>
<br>
I would have hoped you would reply to at least one of those good topics.
<br>
Instead you primarily went off topic and compared me to Jerry Wright.
<br>
<br>
Please, a little more 'on target' depth, okay?]]> | <![CDATA[What the heck?
<br>
Irreverend Jerimiah (was a bullfrog) Wright and Obama take turns throwing each other under their respective buses on 4/30/08.
<br>
It would be a cold day in hell before I would vote for Hillary.
<br>
Yet Hillary did a good job in her Bill O'Reilly /Fox news interview, also on 4/30/08.
<br>
Yet on 5/1/08 google news runs stories of how Obama is increasing his super delegate count within a couple of days of or Irreverend Wright doing his second torpedo job on the Obama candidacy.
<br>
Except, this time Wright's torpedo was clearly intentional. the first time, it was done by "others".
<br>
<br>
5/1/08:A former Bill Clinton Super delegate turns in support of Obama???
<br>
Like, "What the heck?"
<br>
<br>
Irreverent Wright is as much of a jackass as our own Cl-Milwaukee home-grown E.R.T.(Evil Racist Troll)
<br>
<br>
What do Evil Racist Troll and the Irreverent Wright have in common?
<br>
1.Both are educated fools.
<br>
2.Both are racist.
<br>
(Albeit that E.R.T. is a white racist, and Wright is a black Racist.)
<br>
3.Both enjoy to make their own "press".
<br>
4.Both are out to ruin the Obama candidacy. (Even more than I would?!)
<br>
5.Both are obnoxious.
<br>
6.Both quote Bible scripture out of context.
<br>
<br>
Please, EastSide Chris and Me Me, help me here!
<br>
Please, give old 3lmer a reality check here!
<br>
What I see is that Wright and E.R.T. are racial, diametrically opposed, opposites of EACH OTHER !
<br>
(Except that Wright has national level recognition as a pain in the ass, and that E.R.T. is just a local pain in the ass!)
<br>
<br>
C'mon, now, I am right! Am I not?
<br>
E.S.C. & Me Me... you decide...tell me what you think?
<br>
<br>
Also please comment on the curious signs & meanings of this Wright /Obama popularity drop and super delegate increase?
<br>
It's like, "What the heck?"
<br>
<br>
-3lmer J. NeoCon]]> | <![CDATA[You both have contributed so much in reply to yesterdays posts, that I just
<br>
have to say that you both are empty headed losers - and you both know it.
<br>
<br>
The truth has defeated you both!]]> | <![CDATA[Rove connection found!!! Republicans for Obama - just a fraud to spoil the
<br>
Democrats chance in November.
<br>
<br>
<a href="http://thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html" rel="nofollow">http://thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html</a>
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<br>
East Side Chris falls for it hook, line and sinker!]]> | <![CDATA[I found this gem posted in Indianapolis, so I thought I would share it here.
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<br>
<a href="http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/pol/661622098.html" rel="nofollow">http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/pol/661622098.html</a>
<br>
<br>
We need clear thought and courage like that to save America.
<br>
<br>
Too bad that Buchanan isn't running for President - I would vote for him
<br>
in a heartbeat.]]> | <![CDATA[>< .<a href="http://www.partisandefense.org/pubs/articles/factsheet1231.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.partisandefense.org/pubs/articles/factsheet1231.html</a> > ]]> | <![CDATA[.]]> | <![CDATA[First - a new AP poll reveals that Clinton, not Obama, would win easily over
<br>
McCain.
<br>
<br>
Second - Clinton receives endorsement from North Carolina's Governor.
<br>
<br>
Now, Obama has to deal with his idiot pastor's new remarks.
<br>
<br>
<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080429/ap_on_el_pr/obama_pastor" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080429/ap_on_el_pr/obama_pastor</a>
<br>
<br>
Obama Outraged!!! Someone call 911 for that ass - he's down for the count!]]> | <![CDATA[It is truly time for 'lil mulie' to drop out of the race.
<br>
<br>
CLINTON BEATS McCAIN BY 9 POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!
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<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080428/ap_on_el_pr/presidential_race_ap_poll" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080428/ap_on_el_pr/presidential_race_ap_poll</a>
<br>
<br>
Yeah, let me guess - the Obamulites are now going to says polls don't matter!!!
<br>
(yet another ethnic group these 'mule lovers' have slapped in the face - haw
<br>
haw haw!!!) ]]> | <![CDATA[I buy my Sr. coffee for 50 cents, at Micky D's. You're an idiot to pay $1.49!
<br>
But then again, elmer, you're always an idiot!
<br>
<br>
Democrats are divided for sure - and that's a good thing!!!
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<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/campaign_divided_democrats" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/campaign_divided_democrats</a>
<br>
<br>
To those who support the 'little mule' and make threats to vote McCain if
<br>
Clinton is the nominee, I say, SCRAM!!! Your kind has been putting our party
<br>
to ruin for almost 50 years!!! That's why we are always losing to repugs -
<br>
you and your 'idiotic minority special interest policies' suck!!! What a way
<br>
to insure that your party loses elections than to sacrifice the interests of
<br>
the majority for the sake of a minority!!! You can't leave fast enough for me!
<br>
See if you can try!!!
<br>
<br>
WE WILL REBUILD THE PARTY BACK TO THE FDR MODEL - and kick the JFK's and the
<br>
LBJ's to the ditch where they belong!!! You repugs can bind their wounds and
<br>
pander to them for their votes - then, let them ruin your party for half a
<br>
century!!!
<br>
<br>
Yes, I see it all, now! ERT
<br>
<br>
]]> | <![CDATA[E.R.T,
<br>
Your asinine opinions and $1.49 will get you a cup of coffee.
<br>
Because your opinions and racist garbage doesn't mean much here.
<br>
-3lmer]]> | <![CDATA[Elmer, your reply was as empty as your head - really!
<br>
<br>
What democrats are finding my posts ridiculous? Oh yeah, that must be another
<br>
'fact' you have taken directly from you ass.
<br>
<br>
ERT ]]> | <![CDATA[<br>
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]]> | <![CDATA[I'm writing this to you to let you know that after years of membership, I can no longer consider myself a member. As the years have rolled on, you've become nothing like the party that I identified with, the one I enjoyed defending and voting for. Now, you are a neo-conservative beast. What happened to the Republican party of old? What happened to the Small Government Republican Party? The personal responsibility Republican Party? The party that wanted the government to stay out of the lives of it's citizens and simply be fiscally responsible and keep the country safe; what happened to that party? Now, Republican Party, you <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/11/AR2008041103655.html" rel="nofollow">are turning spy satellites against your own citizens</a>, pushing for a dangerous and unnecessary <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act" rel="nofollow">National ID Card Program</a> and tapping our phones without warrants. Why has it come to this? Sometimes I wonder if the Republican Party realizes it is slowly turning this country into something out of the novel 1984, if it realizes slowly but surely the Republican-run government here is turning into a totalitarian state. Maybe my old friend, the Republican Party is oblivious to the damage it is causing. Maybe it is doing what it thinks is best for us. But when you destroy everything that makes this country great, in order to defend it, what is left to defend?
<br>
<br>
So what now, you may ask? Now that you've left your party, surely you'll vote Democrat now right? No my friends, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils. I'm off to find the candidate that matches my views and so should you. I don't want my children to grow up in a world without civil liberties.]]> | <![CDATA[<a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=r8gnmUyminI" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=r8gnmUyminI</a>]]> | <![CDATA[One thing I can say about E.R.T. is consistency.
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He is consistently, a caustic & ornery racist of asinine character on a reliable basis.
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Even your fellow democrats appear to find you asinine.
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-3lmer]]> | <![CDATA["Would ERT support Obama if he wins? (3lmer predicts 'no way.')"
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Elmer, do you read my posts with your hands over your eyes or your head up
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your ass? Why would you 'predict' what I would do if Obama is the nominee - I
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have posted here, on numerous occasions, that if King Mule is their nominee,
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I will vote for McCain, in November. Further, if 'his wickedness' is their VP, with
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Clinton as the presidential nominee, I will still vote for McCain, in Novem-
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ber. I WILL HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH VOTING FOR THAT LYING ISLAMO-FACIST, BLACK
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RACIST OBAMULE!!!
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But, you have questioned why I think this fight is a good thing for the Demo-
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crats party. The answer is, the party needs an overhaul, and this fight just
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may be the event to start the process. See this article about Bill Clinton:
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<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/20080425/ap_ca/on_deadline_race" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/20080425/ap_ca/on_deadline_race</a>
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You can tell it was written by an Obama supporter - "...honorary blackness
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is also temporary. No matter how much he's done on the subject of race, his
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[Clinton's] brother privileges are always up for renewal." LOL!!! What spin!
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We have seen this on the local level - the white, pro-black democrat thrown
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under the bus, here, is a fellow named Matt Flynn. Blacks could not wait to
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get rid of him as soon as they had enough votes to elect a black candidate
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to congress - Gwenn Moore. And what a quality candidate she is!!! LOL, again!!!
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What blacks have always lacked is a human quality known as 'gratitude.' And it
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is becoming apparent to more and more whites in the democratic party. Yes, even
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big wigs, like the Clintons, are finding out what it is like to get mule kicked
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for their efforts towards blacks. Ahhh, reality hits Park Ave. AND IT'S A GOOD
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THING.
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It's a good thing because they are seeing that none of them are immune to such
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treatment. And, that when the blacks have a majority, they always choose an
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inferior candidate, on the sole basis of his/her color. And that will, if left
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un-checked, completely destroy the Democratic Party. (Just as the Neo-Con Right
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has all but destroyed the Republicans.)
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I truly hope that Clinton gets the nomination - and blacks become so angry that
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they leave the party - even if that means losing this election or not!!! If,
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without the black vote, the democrats win this election, it would be a proof
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that they don't need black support. If they lose, without the black vote, it
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would be an opportunity for the party to change direction, and stop pandering
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to get the black vote, which would bring back a lot of blue collar white votes
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that have gone to Republicans. THE PARTY NEEDS TO GET BACK TO BEING THE BREAD
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AND BUTTER PARTY - AND NOT A SPECIAL MINORITY INTEREST PARTY - that is, if it
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wants to survive as a party at all.
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ERT]]> | <![CDATA[James Carville (on the site you posted, Elmer) makes a good point: if Hillary can win big in Indiana (along the same margins of Pennsylvania) then it's going to cause people to consider her again. She can't win the nomination, though. It's over for her.
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Consider how desparate she's been: her campaign is now touting the fact that she has somehow overtaken Obama in the popular vote count. This is highly misleading; for it to be true, you have to include Michigan, a state that all Democratic candidates at the time agreed on as not being able to count, and a state that didn't even have Obama's name on the ballot.
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Now, let's say that we DO want to count Michigan. Then let's say that we'll give Obama the 40% vote count of the uncommitted voters in the primary, which is pretty generous to Hillary. With that count, Obama STILL has the popular vote count to this date!
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He's leading in popular votes, he's leading in states won, and he's leading in delegate numbers. If the current trends continue (and they should, especially if Hillary can't become victorious in states like North Carolina or Oregon), then the superdelegates are going to need to hear a lot of convincing arguments to vote against the person the people chose.
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As for whether or not I would support Hillary as a candidate? Yes, I would. I don't think she's the BEST candidate we have, but I think she could have been a formidable candidate were it not for Obama.
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I have no response for the racist. I do question where this hostility against blacks is coming from, and if they honestly behave this way in public (or do they just behave this way due to the anonymity of the internet).
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It would do well for whoever should win the nomination to chose the other as their running mate. I know a lot of people would find this maddening due to the hostility between the two campaigns. However, it would do the candidate good to show that s/he can bring the other into the ticket, thus bringing support from the other's candidacy into their own. That is, if Barack Obama should take the candidacy (which he undoubtedly will), then he should extend his hand to Hillary to be his VP --- and she should accept.]]> | <![CDATA[CNN (Communist News Network) has the following post going:
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Even the Great East Side Chris is a fallible human being who might have been wrong???
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I wonder:
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Would E.S.C. (and Me Me) support Hill as Dem candidate???
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(Probably, says 3lmer.)
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Would E.R.T. support Obama if he wins?
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(3lmer predicts "no way!)
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Do I hafta issue a bunch of milk cartons with pundits names on them?
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Where is wonder-dog when you need him?
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I would say we live in interesting times!
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-3lmer]]> | <![CDATA[To find intelligent posts on the Political section of Craigslist?
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<a href="http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/pol/655435911.html" rel="nofollow">http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/pol/655435911.html</a>
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<a href="http://southbend.craigslist.org/pol/655226373.html" rel="nofollow">http://southbend.craigslist.org/pol/655226373.html</a>
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<a href="http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/pol/655941103.html" rel="nofollow">http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/pol/655941103.html</a>
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It really is all over for Obama, the black racist fool!!!
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For which E.R.T. appears to be willing to flirt with a McCain endorsement "slash and burn" of the Dems if Obama wins Dem candidacy.
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To have a civil banter with a racist, is likened to me using a Ouija board and communicating with a demon from the other side of the celestial plane.
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In contrast, I suppose liberals would say the same of communicating with a NeoCon.
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E.R.T, I am impressed that you are willing to shed a critical perspective on Howard Dean.
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I say Howard Dean is about as nervous as a whore in Church when it comes to the "fissure split" between the Hillary and Obama democrat factions within the democratic national party.
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Now, E.R.T., I do not believe that Hillary supporters would agree with your covert and overt racist values and points of view?
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How ever do you stay in the good graces of Hillary supporters without compromising you anti-black values?
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I guess you must have found some kind of a point of balance?
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Where are the other "Dem" pundits, I wonder?
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I hope my "3lmer" postings, and the E.R.T. postings have not left us the only pundits standing in this political Ouija board that is known as CL-Milwaukee?
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in fact, helping it. The Democrats have been pandering to blacks for decades,
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and the thanks they are getting for it is clearly seen in the candidacy of
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Barack the little mule.
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It is hoped that there will be a split in the party - and those who pander
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to monkeys will be thrown out, and the party can get back to being the bread
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and butter party that they were when they enjoyed the support of the majority
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of the people.
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As is stands now (and yes I know thigs can change): It is very bad of Obama.
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He cannot win in Ohio or Florida, in November - Clinton would win both of
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them. <a href="http://www.electoral-vote.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.electoral-vote.com/</a>
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The Democrat super-delegates will (I hope) be smart enough to realize that if
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they run Obama as their candidate, they will be handing the White House to
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John McCain. I said, "I Hope." But then again, this is a party that has Howard
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Dean as its leader - ya never really know what they will do, but it may be un-wise to bet on 'reason.'
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BTW - why do you have a picture of an obama stand in next to an 'evil racist
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troll' stand in? Did I not tell you that if Obamule is their candidate, that I
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would then vote for McCain? Notice how I have not said one thing against that
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fellow, McCain? Do you think that's for a reason?
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ERT]]> | <![CDATA[The 3lmer solution to Democratic party woes.]]> | <![CDATA[
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Clearly, wining the approval of a Racist, ex-Catholic, anti-Zionist man of Hebrew descent is not going to happen for me.
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(Hell is more likely to freeze over.)
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The mud-slinging between "beer and a shot" drinking "Hill-Bill-ary" Clinton and Barrack Obama is clearly epic.(As previously stated)
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NeoCons sit nightly, munching popcorn & watching the democratic civil war on Fox News.
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Even Sean Hannity stole my line calling the Democratic Primary "a civil war".
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(Remember pundits, you heard it from me first.)
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NeoCons find the bickering between the Hill-Bill camp and the Obama camp as sheer delight, reminiscence of "World Wrestling Federation" (WWF) form of politics.
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3lmer predicts this circus will last until June, when the last socialist candidate of the democratic party is left standing.
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It will probably be Barrack Obama.
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I think Howard Dean has taken to free-basing Maalox some time ago!
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"Can't we all just get along?" will be the Howard Dean ala Rodney King chant as he rubs his PETA-approved (simulated) lucky rabbit's foot.
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Obama alienates voters by bashing disenfranchised gun-owning Bible readers, and Hillary comes a-courting with political suave to sooth the riled-up Pennsylvania voters and gain herself the 10 point win over Obama from last Tuesday.
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Don't even get me started on senile Jimmy Carter, who says he brokered a peace deal with Hammas, only for Hammas to deny any such "recognition of Israel" in exchange for land won in the 1967 war for Hammas to receive as payment to leave Israel alone for 10 years.
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Jimmy Carter was a helicopter-in-the-mud fool when he was President, and he is a senile old peanut farmer coot now.
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Hammas must be laughing their heads off at old man Carter.
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However, I am sure that E.R.T. is thrilled how Carter really ticked-off Israel.
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New York democrat politicians have abolished marital fidelity as necessary in office.
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It's a democratic party "tilt-a-whirl" after eating too much cotton candy and Pepsi...ready to hurl!
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-3lmer J NeoCon]]> | <![CDATA[As usual, your post is wwwwaaaaaayyyy out there. But that's what you do, or I
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should better state - that's what you are.
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As for this fight lasting til June, I really don't think so. The Clinton
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campaign has reported to me that they have gotten 50,000 new contributions
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in the last 24 hours - a record breaker for them! They seem so happy, and
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for the first time in months I actually feel something like, well golly,
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joy.
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The fact is that with regard to electoral college votes, Obama will not
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win Ohio or Florida, and Clinton will win those states. So, the super
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delegates will have to take notice of that, and change there support
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back to her. The only alternative is to hand the presidency to McCain.
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Elmer, do me one favor - next time you post pictures of the two Democratic
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candidates, don't just 'photo-shop' Clinton - though I guess on second thought
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that the 'little mule' looks plenty ugly without your help.
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ERT]]> | <![CDATA[The saga conflict between Obama And sHrillary Clinton is epic, and will now appear to last to June.
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This is epic win for NeoCons.
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If it was not for the fact that I've built some appreciation for leftist dem pundits on CL-Milwaukee, I would have resorted to my old salty self !
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In contrast to the esteemed East Side Chris,
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I predict an ongoing rift between the Obama-dems and the Hillary-dems.
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I am in doubt how well "hard-feelings" will be resolved between these 2 socialist factions.
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I suspect this will cause dems to vote for McCain out of spite.
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I welcome pundit conjecture. That is what this forum is for.
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-3lmer]]> | <![CDATA[Someone needs to clean his stall and give him more hay.
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That filthy 'little mule' got his ass whipped in Pennsylvania!!!
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All is well!!!]]> | <![CDATA[I am assiting the Obama campaign in Indiana from up here in Wisconsin and am looking for enthusiastic volunteers to help out down there this Saturday as well as the following Saturday. We will be aiding in the GOTV (get out the vote) efforts. We would be traveling to a field office in N.W. Indiana and working out of there for each day. I've made a couple of these trips and its really only about 2 hours from the eastside of Milwaukee. I know there are probably four to five people who read these posts (as there are about two who actually write on here) but please get ahold of me if you are interested.]]> | <![CDATA[The national ID is here... where is the sovereignty of the states?
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Freedoms given up for the shimmering promise of security are seldom regained!
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<a href="http://www.republicmagazine.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=314" rel="nofollow">http://www.republicmagazine.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=314</a>
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So are we, <a href="http://www.yankeecracker.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.yankeecracker.com</a> recycles news articles from around the world for the benefit of the future.
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It's All About The Funny Ha-Ha!
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]]> | <![CDATA[See what people are saying about Obama putting his foot in his mouth over & over again!
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<a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/amvo/obama_dogged_by_bitter_remarks" rel="nofollow">http://www.theonion.com/content/amvo/obama_dogged_by_bitter_remarks</a>]]> | <![CDATA[Yes, it seems I’m not on here quite as much as I used to be. Life is getting hectic, the baby will soon be on its way (June 16) so we’re looking for new places to live and so forth.
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But I have made a few observations about the national races...
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1) Barack Obama elitist? Hardly. His “bitter” comment may have been a mistake, but it’s not going to hurt him much. If anything, the continual Clinton message th | | |