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<![CDATA[<a href="http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/Mark%20Nickolas/blog/&blogId=2172" rel="nofollow">http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/Mark%20Nickolas/blog/&blogId=2172</a> McCain said it in 2003 and 2006...but that's ok. Robert Gates said it in 2006...That's ok. Obama says it in 2008..that's not ok? This is just spectacular. Mr. Flip-Flop -- John McCain (R) -- advocated the very thing that he's now blasting Barack Obama (D) about: talking with groups like Hamas. From a interview just two years ago with former Assistant Secretary of State James Rubin for the British network Sky News's World News Tonight program: RUBIN: "Do you think that American diplomats should be operating the way they have in the past, working with the Palestinian government if Hamas is now in charge?" McCAIN: "They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so . . . but it's a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that." And this.... <a href="http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/25/947433.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/25/947433.aspx</a> And today, on a call with conservative bloggers, McCain said this: "I think it's very clear who Hamas wants to be the next president of the United States. So apparently has Danny Ortega and several others. I think that people should understand that I will be Hamas's worst nightmare... If Senator Obama is favored by Hamas I think people can make judgments accordingly." McCain was referring to a the favorable comment a Hamas adviser recently made of Obama. But Obama has criticized the terrorist group and has said he would not meet with them. Obama spokesman Hari Sevugan responded to McCain's comment on Obama and Hamas. "We want to take Senator McCain at his word that he wants to run a respectful campaign, but [it] is becoming increasingly difficult when he continually tries to use the politics of association and makes claims he knows not to be true to advance his campaign. This type of politics of division and distraction, not only lead to a campaign not worthy of the American people, but also has failed to help our families for too long." Sevugan also points to this Obama camp statement that was made after the Hamas adviser made his remarks -- a statement the McCain campaign should have known of. "Senator Obama has repeatedly rejected and denounced the actions of Hamas, a terrorist organization responsible for the deaths of many innocents, that is dedicated to Israel's destruction. As president, Obama will work with Israel to isolate terrorist groups like Hamas, target their resources, and support Israel's right and capability to defend itself from any attack." *** UPDATE *** McCain spokesman Brian Rogers defends McCain's statement earlier today with this statement. “This is a legitimate issue for the American people to think about. The reason for Hamas’ praise of Senator Obama’s foreign policy is his commitment to meet unconditionally with Iran -- a nation whose president denies the Holocaust, threatens to wipe Israel off the map, funds terrorists and sends weapons to Iraq to kill American soldiers. Senator Obama’s positions present a radical departure from the longstanding bipartisan consensus for isolating rogue regimes like Iran and North Korea. “It is not only responsible to raise these critical issues in this election, but it would be the height of irresponsibility not to have this discussion with the American people.” ]]>

<![CDATA[Warning don't vote for James Hartline city council 3 he fake & very rude man.James Hartline against thousands of new jobs for San Diego. Hartline wants more welfare & food stamps.Shame on you James Hartline.]]>

<![CDATA[An Iraq win - yes. Death of bin Laden - yes. Nuclear plants - yes. Trade and tax cuts - yes, yes, yes. So, what didn‘t Senator McCain promise today in mapping out his vision for a third Bush term? Oh, here it is, accountability - no, none of that. There will still have been no terrorism attacks since 9/11, the war in Iraq is won, Osama bin Laden is dead or in custody, the world food crisis is over, the economy is growing robustly, kids are smarter and thinner, all of America‘s problems are either solved or being solved. Ummmmm yeah..the Dems had a one seat advantage the past year and fucked up all the excellent progress the GOP made over the past 6 years? Ha Ha ha God Bless Keith Olbermann, for speaking out against the lunatic in the White House and the failed old man that aims to serve Bush's third term. I say No fucking way. <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24664507/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24664507/</a> ]]>

<![CDATA[Warning do not vote for James Hartline for district 3 city council seat. Why Hartline is against bringing thousand of more jobs to San Diego he refused to sign the Port of San Diego Petition. James Hartline is for more welfare & food stamps.Shame on you James Hartline.]]>

<![CDATA[So I know some of you just LOVE that we invaded Iraq - and it was to "save their people", right? It wasn't oil, it was human rights, yes? hmmmmmm So why aren't we invading Myanmar? It is pretty clear that their "Junta" government is in the process of trying starve out a whole segment of their population... So why not! We *are* the world's policeman, are we not? No? Why not? Let's here it, Hawks!]]>

<![CDATA[re. <a href="http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/pol/683558825.html" rel="nofollow">http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/pol/683558825.html</a> I wonder... Would this poster be a right wing conservative? Would he be a "good christian"? I thought Jesus taught to "Hate to sin, love the sinner"... Guess that was a different bible...]]>

<![CDATA[Have fun spreading aids & then you all can die]]>

<![CDATA[re. <a href="http://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/pol/682661211.html" rel="nofollow">http://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/pol/682661211.html</a> No, I am not confused. You assume a great deal, and you are happy to bitch without making a reasonable suggestion. Of the viable alternatives, what would you have folks do? Vote for Ron Paul? Sure - great idea. But given the support he has gotten, that is throwing your vote away. Perhaps you're suggesting that we all stay at home, not vote as form of protest. Well, that is your right, but I like to vote. So I will. It's easy to just complain; What do you SUGGEST - or do you even have a suggestion? ]]>

<![CDATA[We win, fuck you! Now lets all move on to other things. Thanks.]]>

<![CDATA[re. <a href="http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/pol/683298584.html" rel="nofollow">http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/pol/683298584.html</a> to quote: "Liberals spit in the face of the people's face." To which I respond: No Jethro, only your face. You clearly have no understanding of how our system works, how courts are in place to product the rights of the people from unjust legislation. No, in your distorted world, all courts are populated by good evangelical Christians, marching in lock-step with Rush Limbaugh. Happily, that is not the way the world works. So the morality police lost a battle. Do you still love America, Jethro? Do you? Perhaps you love America but not California, is that it? Well, may I suggest that you LEAVE. Feel free to uproot yourself and move to a state where your type is welcome. Utah or Alabama leap to mind. ]]>

<![CDATA[La Raza whore DIANNE FEINSTEIN, always busting her corrupt as for her big biz contributors, her pimp, Richard C. Blum, and her paymaster for WAR PROFITEERING, George Bush, is now, once again, fighting for floods of illegal farm workers. Not like there’s a shortage of illegals in California. Half the state is now Mexican illegals. Lou Dobbs Tonight Friday, May 16, 2008 Tonight, we’ll have the latest from the campaign trail, including Sen. Barack Obama’s response to President Bush’s controversial comments at the Israeli Knesset and a look ahead to Tuesday’s primaries in Kentucky and Oregon. Plus: * The Department of Homeland Security has faced criticism and even lawsuits for his efforts to enforce immigration law in this country. The latest is from the Texas Border Coalition, arguing that the federal government did not thoroughly discuss the construction of the Texas border fence with property owners in the area. *AngryRenter.com appears to be a grassroots website, collecting thousands of online signatures to petition against a government mortgage bailout. But in fact, the site is run by Freedomworks, a lobbying firm, chaired by former House majority leader Dick Armey. * Some in Congress are once again trying to push piecemeal immigration reform through the back door. Sen. Diane Feinstein of California attached a farm worker program to the multibillion dollar Iraq war funding bill yesterday which would grant temporary amnesty to 1.3 million farm workers and their families over the next five years. * Derek Tidball, a Congressional candidate in Arizona is running as an independent. He’s a 29-year-old Army veteran of the war on terror in Afghanistan. His two main issues are better treatment for returning troops and securing the border. * In our weekly tribute to the men and women who serve our nation in uniform, we’ll have the story of Army Specialist Rick Yarosh. Yarosh has always loved to cook. During his tour in Iraq, his best friends in his unit were killed by an IED and Yarosh lost a leg. Recovering at Brooke Army Medical Center, Yarosh is cooking again, making fettuccine alfredo for lunch and dreaming of someday opening his own restaurant to cook for wounded soldiers, a place he will call “The Purple Heart.” Lou’s new radio program, the Lou Dobbs Show, debuted in March. Join us weekdays from 3-6 p.m. Eastern, for a look at news and politics aimed at independent thinkers. Check your local listings at LouDobbsRadio.com, or listen live online. Today, Lou will be joined by Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who is under fire from the governor of Arizona for his efforts to fight illegal immigration in the Phoenix area. Paul Rieckhoff, executive director of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America will be on to talk about the GI Bill. William Donahue, president of the Catholic League, will discuss how religion and faith have been influencing the presidential campaigns. ...................................... Immigration rule targets farmworkers SOCIAL SECURITY CARD CRACKDOWN WORRIES AREA CROP OWNERS By Julia Scott MediaNews San Jose Mercury News Article Launched: HALF MOON BAY - Farmer John Giusti will be watching the mail with apprehension this fall. He's waiting for letters from the government telling him that some of his workers have been using fraudulent Social Security numbers to earn wages on his farm. Immigration officials are unsympathetic. "The laws regarding the hiring of unauthorized workers have been on the books for two decades," said Virginia Kice, a spokeswoman for the federal agency. "What is new is that we are expanding our efforts to prosecute employers knowingly violating the law." The new rules challenge the "don't ask, don't tell" policy many employers use when they hire workers, but don't make it easier to screen for bogus documents like a fake Social Security card or picture ID, which employees ............................................... September 17, 2007 WASHINGTON — Three months after Congress failed to pass a broad immigration overhaul, lawmakers are quietly returning to the hot-button issue, discussing narrower measures that address illegal immigrants and low-skilled laborers. Already, critics are promising fireworks. As early as this week, Democratic senators are set to introduce an amendment that would give conditional legal status to young illegal immigrants. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) hopes to bring up a visa program that eventually would allow farmhands to gain citizenship, whereas Republican senators are discussing a short-term guest worker program for low-skilled laborers. Republicans also are considering a bill that would overhaul visas for high-skilled foreigners. In the House, Republicans have been steadily introducing initiatives aimed at ensuring that illegal immigrants could not gain access to federal benefits. "We may be heading for another immigration battle," Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) said of the measures headed for the Senate floor. "Hopefully it can be avoided." After the Senate failed in June to pass the broad immigration bill, rebuffing President Bush, who supported it, many on Capitol Hill predicted the issue would lie fallow until after the 2008 presidential election. But that has not been the case. THE DEM WHORES AMNESTY BIT BY BIT IS ALIVE AND WELL! The Bush administration in August unveiled a roster of aggressive enforcement initiatives, provoking a legal challenge from labor and business groups and outrage from immigrant advocates. The Department of Homeland Security has continued its stepped-up raids on work sites that use illegal laborers, and in August it deported a high-profile illegal immigrant activist who had spent months in a Chicago church, declaring it a sanctuary. Immigrant groups nationwide have staged vigils, protests and letter-writing campaigns to demand changes in policy. Groups that want to limit immigration also have kept a sharp eye on Congress, on the lookout for any attempts to pass what they view as "amnesty" -- proposals that would open the way to legalization for illegal immigrants. Since the comprehensive bill's failure, some of the focus on immigration has served political goals. Republican senators quickly brought up an enforcement bill, a hit with their conservative base. The Democratic-sponsored measures generally appeal to Latino voters. Staff members from both parties say immigration-related amendments could turn up on any major piece of legislation expected to pass. Some of the measures now in the works don't have much bipartisan support, limiting their chances of success. And some lawmakers express doubts that it is possible to restructure the immigration system through separate bills rather than sweeping legislation. "I'm personally very skeptical of a piecemeal approach," said Sen. Mel Martinez (R-Fla.), a member of the bipartisan coalition that tried to pass the overhaul earlier this year. "The hardest thing to do . . . is take care of" the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. "The minute we start doing the easy things, like taking care of agribusiness interests because they need the workers, . . . then we're leaving the hard things" unaddressed. The central conflict that tripped up the comprehensive bill remains the question of whether illegal immigrants should be given the chance to earn legal status. That question will be an issue in at least two of the measures headed for the Senate. The first to come up is expected to be the "Dream Act," a bill championed by Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) that would give conditional legal status to immigrants brought to the U.S. at a young age. To qualify under it, they must have been in the country for at least five years, have a high school diploma and meet other requirements. Over the next six years, they would have to spend two years in college or the military, after which they could become legal permanent residents, a step toward citizenship. Durbin plans to attach the bill as an amendment to a defense funding measure scheduled to come before the Senate today, his staff said. The bill has broad support, prompting immigration restrictionist groups to send alerts warning that the Senate was planning "to pass an amnesty act by hiding language in the defense authorization bill." Feinstein has championed an AgJobs program with increasing intensity as farms have struggled to find labor. The program would allow up to 1.5 million agricultural workers to gain legal status through a "blue card," provided they did farm work for a certain number of days every year. Those who met the criteria could apply for legal permanent resident status after five years. The bill's prospects are uncertain. Feinstein lost a crucial AgJobs ally when Sen. Larry E. Craig (R-Idaho) recently announced he would resign because of the scandal surrounding his arrest in a Minneapolis airport restroom. In July, Feinstein and Craig had won a commitment from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) that the AgJobs proposal would be considered, possibly as an amendment to the farm bill expected to be debated in the early fall. "We know that virtually all of the agricultural workforce is undocumented," Feinstein said. "Today there are shortages. . . . AgJobs is a pilot program that would provide a reliable workforce to plant and harvest crops in this country." Sessions is actively campaigning against both Durbin and Feinstein's initiatives, arguing that the two proposals would give more than 4 million illegal immigrants eventual citizenship. He said he would support a plan under discussion among Republicans, including Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas), to create a version of AgJobs that would limit workers to short-term stays in the U.S. and not provide any kind of longer-term legal status. Stripping legalization provisions from a farm worker program would vastly increase its chances of passing, Republicans say. THE REAL ANGLE.... AGRI FARMERS DON’T WONT’ TO INVEST IN HARVESTING MACHINES. NOT WHEN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE SUBSIDIZING THEIR LABOR COST per FEINSTEIN! If that happens, Muzzi plans to replace many of his workers with expensive harvesting machines from Europe. Giusti would be willing to sponsor some of his best workers through a work visa, if necessary. He agrees the worker registration system is "broken," but thinks American workers could be accounted for with a solution that promotes stability, such as a guest worker program. AKA AMNESTY! "This new rules have created a big problem - this fluctuating work force, that's going to be a disaster," he said. ............................................... FEINSTEIN WHORE FOR AGRI BIZ She predicted that more American farmers would move to Mexico for the ready work force and lower wages. Ms. Feinstein favored a measure in the failed immigration bill that would have created a new guest worker program for agriculture and a special legal status for illegal immigrant farm workers. In the past, some Americans have planted south of the border to escape spiraling land prices and to ensure year-round deliveries of crops they can produce only seasonally in the United States. But in the last three years, Mr. Nassif and other growers said, labor force uncertainties have become a major reason farmers have shifted to Mexico. While there are benefits for Mexico, as American farmers bring the latest technology and techniques to its crop-producing regions, American farm state economists say thousands of middle-class jobs supporting agriculture are being lost in the United States. Some lawmakers in the United States also point to security risks when food for Americans is increasingly produced in foreign countries. Tramping through one of his first lettuce crops near Celaya, an agribusiness hub in Guanajuato, Mr. Scaroni is more candid than many farmers about his move here. He had made six trips to Washington, he said, to plead with Congress to provide more legal immigrants for agriculture. SCARED SHITLESS OF HAVING TO PAY LIVING WAGES “I have a customer base that demands we produce and deliver product every day,” he said. “They don’t want to hear the excuses.” He acknowledges that wages are much lower in Mexico; he pays $11 a day here as opposed to about $9 an hour in California. But without legal workers in California, he said, “I have no choice but to offshore my operation.” The Department of Labor has reported that 53 percent of the 2.5 million farm workers in the United States are illegal immigrants; growers and labor unions say as much as 70 percent of younger field hands are illegal. As the American authorities tightened the border in recent years, seasonal migration from Mexico has been interrupted, demographers say. Many illegal farm laborers, reluctant to leave the United States, have abandoned the arduous migrant work of agriculture for year-round construction and service jobs. Labor shortages during harvests have become common. THERE IS NO SHORTAGE, JUST A SHORTAGE OF LIVING WAGES! CRYING WOLF................ IT’S ALL ABOUT AMNESTY BIT BY BIT BY BIT!!!!!!!! Some academics say warnings of a farm labor debacle are exaggerated. “By and large the most dire predictions don’t come true,” said Philip Martin, an agricultural economist at the University of California, Davis. “There is no doubt that some people can’t count on workers showing up as much as they used to,” Professor Martin said. “But most of the places that are crying the loudest are exceptional cases.” But some recent studies suggest that strains on the farm-labor supply are real. Stephen Levy, an economist at the Center for Continuing Study of the California Economy, in Palo Alto, compared unemployed Americans with illegal immigrant workers in the labor market. “The bottom line,” Mr. Levy said, “is that most unemployed workers are not available to replace fired, unauthorized immigrant workers,” in part because very few of the unemployed are in farm work. Mr. Scaroni said he started growing in Mexico reluctantly, after seeing risks to his American operations. At peak season his California company, Valley Harvesting and Packing, employs more than 1,000 immigrants, and all have filled out the required federal form, known as an I-9, with Social Security numbers and other identity information. “From my perspective everyone that works for me is legal,” he said. But based on farm labor statistics, he surmises that many of his workers presented false documents. An impatient man in perpetual motion, Mr. Scaroni marches through his fields shouting orders to Mexican crew leaders in rough Spanish while he negotiates to buy new trucks in Mexico on a walkie-talkie in one hand and to sell produce in the United States on a cellphone in the other. Frustrated with experts who say that farmers with labor problems should mechanize, he plunges his hands into side-by-side lettuce plants, pulling out one crisp green head and one that is soggy and brown. After his company invested $1 million in research, he said, “We haven’t come up with a way to tell a machine what’s a good head and what’s a bad head.” He also dismisses arguments that he could attract workers by raising wages, saying Americans do not take the sweaty, seasonal field jobs. “I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that if I did that I would raise my costs and I would not have a legal work force,” Mr. Scaroni said. Still, transferring to Mexico has been costly, he said. Since the greens he cuts here go to bagged salads in supermarkets in the United States, he follows the same food-safety practices as he does in California. Renting fallow Mexican land, he enclosed his fields in fences and installed drip-irrigation systems for the filtered water he uses. Los Angles County Board of Supervisors Population 10.2 million, 12% illegal. Over $1,000,000,000/yr taxpayer cost in public safety, healthcare, social services and education. 160,000 illegal immigrants, via their U.S. born children receiving government aid until they are 18. Nearly half of all students do not speak English. Only 44% of the 727,000 students received a high school diploma The county has to pick up the majority of funding for Federal Government mandates. Leroy D Baca, Sheriff of Los Angeles County 40% of inmates in custody are illegal and 26% get state Criminal Alien Assistance funding' A large % of criminal are arrested again after being deported. A new 6 month program has processed to Fed immigration 1,431 of 3,317 adjudicated cases Terrorists have blended in with the millions of illegals living undetected within the country. Robert Rector, Senior Research Fellow, The Heritage Foundation. Testimony focus on fiscal effects of low skill immigration. Immigrant, who has not completed high school, will cost taxpayers $100,000 over his lifetime. $30,000,000,000 additional Medicaid cost/yr if the current illegal immigrants are granted amnesty $50,000,000,000 additional welfare cost/yr due to the Senates bill (S.2611) Citizens, through amnesty, will have the right to bring his parents to live in the US About 1/3 foreign born persons in the U.S. are Mexican and half are illegal. Mexican women emigrating to the US have a considerably higher fertility rate than those in Mexico 44% of adult illegals are women. 60% Latin American and Mexican immigrants lack a high school education vs. 6% for native born. 1st Generation Mexican immigrant median income was $323/wk in 2000 (54% of general population) 1980 immigrants saw their relative wages shrink in the 1990 Immigrant households were 50% more likely to receive means tested aid than native born. 81% of illegal immigrants are from Latin America or Mexico (57%) 30.7 blacks, 23% Hispanics and 7.9% non-Hispanic whites received some form of government aid. 11.8 % of all poor children have illegal immigrant parents, but they are only 6% of the population. 67% of blacks and 45% of Hispanics have children born out of wedlock, with high % on welfare. Progressive Fed taxes issuer tax credits to offset low income Social Security tax payments. Average cost to educate a child is $8,000 per year in U.S. primarily locally funded. The cost of low cost housing support was not investigated. Kevin J. Burns CFO University Medical Center Corporation, Tucson, Az. "How does illegal Immigration Impact American Taxpayers and Will the Reid-Kennedy Amnesty Worsen the Blow? "Introduction. We believe that the currently proposed legislation may worsen the financial burden on our Nation's healthcare system and tax payers as the proposed legislation may result in a greater number of immigrants entering the United States with no provision for covering their healthcare cost" 54% increase in Trauma volumes since 2003 Majority of non-paying foreign nationals arrive as trauma patients/emergency department UMC receives no reimbursement to help defray the cost of non-paying patient's care. 1 infant admitted to UMC's Neonatal Intensive care cost more than $75,000 (had 15 last year) 1/2 funds come from Government programs that do not cover cost. ICE avoids financial responsibility for illegal aliens they request care for by not taking custody. Wayne A Cornelius, Director, Center for Comparative Immigration Studies, University of California-San Diego Even if apprehended and sent home, the vast majority (~95%) will keep trying to enter until they succeed. 60% of Mexican population have relatives in the U.S. Border enforcement resulted in ~ 90% illegals hiring people-smugglers (Coyotes @ $3,000/head) Coyotes have detoured around heavily fortified segments of the border. Mexicans can fly, visa-free, to any Canadian city and be smuggled across our northern border. ..................... THE FIGURES YOUR GOVERNMENT DOESN’T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT THE “CHEAP MEXICAN LABOR” THAT DID NOT BUILD THIS NATION. LOOK WHAT IT DID FOR MEXICO! Subject: From the L.A. Times Newspaper 1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County (L. A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. Los Angeles County reports 2 billion dollars in the underground economy is lost. 2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens. There have been 2000 Californians murdered by illegals who then fled back to Mexico to avoid prosecution. 3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens. 4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers. 5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally. (Currently they’re letting out felons early due to the jail overcrowding. Many immediately commit crimes.) Los Angeles County spends millions in jail cost for illegals still actively drug trafficking. To solve this problem, the county dispersed the Mexican drug dealers to jails over the states. This only propagated the drug dealers operations. The County spends millions in fighting Mexican gangs which have spread all over the United States. The County also spends millions on graffiti abatement. 6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages. 7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border. It’s assumed the vast majority of the other half are Mexicans living here legally. 8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal. 9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking. They united Mexicans in protest demanding “rights” they presume to be entitled to. (They seem to have one program. Convince the Mexican invaders this country actually belongs to the Mexicans. ) 10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L. A. County). ( How many Mexicans do you know that have contempt for the English language?) Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare. (Los Angeles County spends $750,000 on social services to illegals. No wonder there isn’t enough money for education.) Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration. OTHER SOURCES: Similar figures LOS ANGELES TIMES reports that California spends 9 billion on social services for illegals. 60% of the counties in the United States have serious meth problems. Meth that comes from Mexico. Part of Mexico’s 5 billion dollar drug export business. An estimated 8,200 Illegal Immigrants cross the border each day. 57,400 a week . 250,000 a month. 84 hospitals in California alone have closed or are scheduled to close due mostly to rising costs of caring for uninsured Illegal Immigrants since 1993. It is estimated that 50% of their services went to Illegal Immigrants who did not pay their bills. According to the American Hospital Association the estimated uncompensated cost of care in 2000 was $21.6 billion. Roughly 6% of total expenses. The government allotted only $1 billion to help cover those costs. Anchor babies account for roughly 10% of all US births. In 2003, anchor babies accounted for 70% of all births in San Joachim General Hospital in Stockton, California. US taxpayers spent an estimated $7.4 Billion in 2003 to educate illegal immigrants. 34% of students in the Los Angeles school system are illegals or children of illegals. Two thirds of Illegal Immigrants adults DO NOT have a high school degree or equivalent. The illiteracy rate for Illegal Immigrants is 2.5 times higher than that of US Citizens. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are illegal aliens from Mexico. 29% or a whopping 630,000 convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually; not to mention the tragedies in death, drugs, crime and misery they have caused American families. ***************************************************************************** Illegal aliens cost California billions By Jerry Seper THE WASHINGTON TIMES Published December 7, 2004 (NOTE THESE FIGURE ARE FROM 2004. SINCE THEN THERE’S BEEN ANOTHER 10 MILLION ILLEGALS CLIMB OVER THE BORDERS. THE PEW REPORTS THAT APPROXIMATELY 40 MILLION !MORE! MEXICANS ARE PLANNING TO JOIN THEM FOR THE AMERICAN GRAVY TRAIN) Illegal immigration costs the taxpayers of California -- which has the highest number of illegal aliens nationwide -- $10.5 billion a year for education, health care and incarceration, according to a study released yesterday. A key finding of the report by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) said the state's already struggling kindergarten-through-12th-grade education system spends $7.7 billion a year on children of illegal aliens, who constitute 15 percent of the student body. The report also said the incarceration of convicted illegal aliens in state prisons and jails and uncompensated medical outlays for health care provided to illegal aliens each amounted to about $1.4 billion annually. The incarceration costs did not include judicial expenditures or the monetary costs of the crimes committed by illegal aliens that led to their incarceration. "California's addiction to 'cheap' illegal-alien labor is bankrupting the state and posing enormous burdens on the state's shrinking middle-class tax base," said FAIR President Dan Stein. "Most Californians, who have seen their taxes increase while public services deteriorate, already know the impact that mass illegal immigration is having on their communities, but even they may be shocked when they learn just how much of a drain illegal immigration has become," he said. California is estimated to be home to nearly 3 million illegal aliens. Mr. Stein noted that state and local taxes paid by the unauthorized immigrant population go toward offsetting these costs, but do not match expenses. The total of such payments was estimated in the report to be about $1.6 billion per year. He also said the total cost of illegal immigration to the state's taxpayers would be considerably higher if other cost areas, such as special English instruction, school meal programs or welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal-alien workers were added into the equation. Gerardo Gonzalez, director of the National Latino Research Center at California State at San Marcos, which compiles data on Hispanics, was critical of FAIR's report yesterday. He said FAIR's estimates did not measure some of the contributions that illegal aliens make to the state's economy. "Beyond taxes, these workers' production and spending contribute to California's economy, especially the agricultural sector," he said, adding that both legal and illegal aliens are the "backbone" of the state's $28 billion-a-year agricultural industry. In August, a similar study by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, said U.S. households headed by illegal aliens used $26.3 billion in government services during 2002, but paid $16 billion in taxes, an annual cost to taxpayers of $10 billion. The FAIR report focused on three specific program areas because those were the costs examined by researchers from the Urban Institute in 1994, Mr. Stein said. Looking at the costs of education, health care and incarceration for illegal aliens in 1994, the Urban Institute estimated that California was subsidizing illegal immigrants at about $1.1 billion a year. Mr. Stein said an enormous rise in the costs of illegal immigrants in 10 years is because of the rapid growth of the illegal population. He said it is reasonable to expect those costs to continue to soar if action is not taken to turn the tide. "1994 was the same year that California voters rebelled and overwhelmingly passed Proposition 187, which sought to limit liability for mass illegal immigration," he said. "Since then, state and local governments have blatantly ignored the wishes of the voters and continued to shell out publicly financed benefits on illegal aliens. "Predictably, the costs of illegal immigration have grown geometrically, while the state has spiraled into a fiscal crisis that has brought it near bankruptcy," he said. Mr. Stein said that the state must adopt measures to systematically collect information on illegal-alien use of taxpayer-funded services and on where they are employed, and that policies need to be pursued to hold employers financially accountable. ]]>

<![CDATA[In typical liberal facist fashion, the courts overturned the will of the people. Liberals can not win at the ballot box, so they turn to the courts to overturn the people's will. How many propositions will the facist liberals go try and overturn? 4-3 decision. Liberals spit in the face of the people's face.]]>

<![CDATA[So I haven't read many posts here - I expect they are along the lines of: "Oh God, now they'll force our kids to have gay sex!" and crap like that... Here's the deal, kids: If you're gay, you now (at least, for the moment) have the same rights to marriage contracts as heterosexual couples do. The end. That's it. Nothing more. This has nothing to do with sex, per se; It will still be illegal to have sex with or marry a child; It will still be illegal to do the same with an animal. The only reason - the ONLY reason - folks on the religious right get worked up about this is that they LOVE state mandated morality. Anyway, I expect that the Bush Supremes will take this matter on and do something VERY non-conservative and attempt to overrule the state on this. More federal power, more big government. Yup, that's the modern GOP. So to you folks who are ALL spooled up over this issue: GET OVER IT.]]>

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<![CDATA[I apologize for that post, and I deleted it. I thought that post was odd, and since I didn't see it disputed I wanted to congratulate you anyway. Again, I apologize and hope I didn't offend you. About my political views, as of right now as we speak I'm organizing a "We are United" march for Obama. I have a Myspace page I'm working on right now. It's not finished yet, but here is my page Myspace.com/i_support_obama If you or anyone would like to march with us you can go to the page and will have the info.]]>

<![CDATA[<a href="http://www.cato.org/pubs/catosletter/catosletterv6n2.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cato.org/pubs/catosletter/catosletterv6n2.pdf</a> I don't agree with all of it - but Old PJ is about the funniest "real" conservative alive...]]>

<![CDATA[re. <a href="http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/pol/683034921.html" rel="nofollow">http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/pol/683034921.html</a> Larry, you haven't been involved in this list for a great deal of time, so let me be the first to explain something. We have a troll on this board that some of us call "Jethro". Jethro has no ideas of his own, he just posts crap and insults folks. On of Jethro's favorite tactics is to post something vulgar or absurd using the nickname that had been adopted by someone he disagrees with. Did I mention that Jethro appears to be a neocon? Anyway, not that I care what anyone thinks, but if I got married to *anyone*, male, female or otherwise, I certainly wouldn't bother to announce it on this list. That was a juvenile attempt by Jethro (who never uses a nick of his own, as he is a coward) to piss me off. It didn't work; It never works. Happily, I piss him off all the time. Hell, I'll bet he's pissed reading this post right now! So Larry, since you're "newish" - care to share your political view of things? ]]>

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<![CDATA[How have they done that? If you don't believe in same sex marriage--don't marry someone of the same sex.]]>

<![CDATA[You write, "Here I was thinking it was the will of the people that granted government its power through the vote.. Guess now its the courts that will decide how you will live and FUCK what "we the people" have to say... I'm completely disgusted and dumbfounded..." "The United States of America is not a democracy. Let me emphasize that – THE UNITED STATES IS NOT A DEMOCRACY – and add, “Thank God!” America’s Founders understood well the evils of democracy and deliberated created a system of government that was not democratic but rather republican. The form of government in the United States (both the national government and the government of each of the 50 states) is not a democracy but a republic. Indeed, it is most accurately described as a “limited-government constitutional republic.” The difference is not merely semantic. The word “republic” comes from the Latin phrase res publica, which means, literally, “the public thing(s).” It generally refers to a representative form of government, one in which the people’s representatives (chosen either directly or indirectly by them) govern but not the people themselves. (Such was the form of government, in theory at least, of the ancient Roman republic.) “Democracy,” on the other hand, is derived from the Greek words demos and kratein, which when combined mean, loosely, “the people rule.” Democracy thus is synonymous with direct rule by the people, or more accurately, by a majority of the people. James Madison explained the difference between a democracy and a republic in two of the essays he wrote for The Federalist Papers. In No. 14, he distinguished the two this way: “In a democracy, the people meet and exercise the government in person; in a republic, they assemble and administer it by their representatives and agents,” he wrote. “A democracy, consequently, will be confined to a small spot. A republic may be extended over a large region.” In No. 39, while seeking to determine “the distinctive characters of the republican form,” Madison wrote that the term has been misapplied by many political writers. Holland, “in which no particle of supreme authority is derived from the people, has passed almost universally under the denomination of a republic.” The same was true of Venice, where “a small body of hereditary nobles” exercised “absolute power over the great body of the people.” Even Poland, which Madison called “a mixture of aristocracy and of monarchy in their worst forms,” has been mistakenly called a republic. So too Britain, which (as noted below) was rather a mixture of republican, monarchical, and aristocratic principles. Madison asserted that all previous writers on politics had been wrong; he declared that a republic was, nothing more and nothing less, than “a government which derives all its powers directly or indirectly from the great body of the people, and is administered by persons holding their offices during pleasure, for a limited period, or during good behavior.” In thus defining – and indeed reconceptualizing – republic, Madison was expressing the new science of politics (the novus ordo seclorum, or “new order of the ages,” as it is described in the motto on the Great Seal of the United States) that was devised by the American Founders. To fully understand the Founders’ embrace of republicanism, as Madison defined it, and with it, their rejection of democracy, we first should note briefly how the Founders rejected classical political theory. The Founders’ negative views of democracy derived from the classic theory of politics held by most English-speaking people in the 18th century. Under this theory – which in turn was based on ideas in Western political thought that could be traced back for dozens of centuries, back at least to the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle – democracy was one of three basic “pure” forms of government; the others were monarchy and aristocracy. Under this classic model, each of the three pure forms of government were unstable, ineffective guarantors of citizens’ rights, that inevitably would degenerate into something worse: monarchy would degenerate into an absolute dictatorship (one-man rule); aristocracy (literally, government by “the best”) would degenerate into a tyrannical oligarchy (absolute rule by a few); and democracy would degenerate into either anarchy or the tyranny of “mob rule.” To avoid these tendencies, the best form of government – under the classic 18th-century British model – was a “mixed” government that combined the best attributes of the three pure forms and which provided “checks” against their corruption into absolutism. The British system of government – with a King representing, obviously, the monarchical element, and a Parliament consisting of two houses, the House of Lords and the House of Commons, representing, respectively, the aristocratic and democratic elements – was seen by Englishmen on both sides of the Atlantic in the 18th century, before the American Revolution, as “the best form of government thus devised by the wit of man.” William Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Law, published in the mid-century, for example, thus extolled the British constitution as the most perfect on earth." Excerpted from: <a href="http://users.law.capital.edu/dmayer/blog/blogIndex.asp?entry=20050606.asp" rel="nofollow">http://users.law.capital.edu/dmayer/blog/blogIndex.asp?entry=20050606.asp</a> ]]>

<![CDATA[AGENDA OF MEXICAN INVADERS................there are now 38 million Mexican flag wavers in this once great nation now! WORKING FOR OPEN BORDERS ARE: FEINSTEIN, BOXER, WAXMAN, PELOSI, BACA, FARR, HARMAN, ESHOO, LOFGREN, and the U. S. Chamber of Commerce fighting to depress wages for legals. CLINTON, OBAMA, McCAIN KENNEDY, REID and of course the corporate pimp, GEORGE THE MORON. Lou Dobbs Tonight Monday, February 11, 2008 In California, League of United Latin American Citizens has adopted a resolution to declare "California Del Norte" a sanctuary zone for immigrants. The declaration urges the Mexican government to invoke its rights under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo "to seek third-nation neutral arbitration of ....disputes concerning immigration laws and their enforcement." We’ll have the story. Last year, Prince William County, Virginia passed an initiative to allow local police to check the immigration status of anyone in police custody. The county recently held its first immigration training session for local police officers. We’ll have a look inside the training. Mexican President Felipe Calderon is in New York today on the first leg his five-day tour across America to meddle in immigration issues in the United States. This is his first visit to the U.S. since he became President in 2006, but he will not meet with President Bush or any of the presidential candidates, who he has accused of spewing anti-immigrant rhetoric. Join us for that report. ....................... Audio clips of the true agenda of Illegal Alien Lobby Agendas of MEChA, La Raza, MALDEF, and Southwest Voter Registration Projects This is a compilation of live, recorded statements by elected U.S. politicians, college professors, and pro-illegal alien activists whose objective is to take control of our country "by vote if possible and violence if necessary!" The speakers listed below are not the "lunatic fringe". They are some of the most powerful Latino leaders and politicians in America, whose allegiance is to foreigners of their ethnic group, not to the United States. They seek political power and realize the way to get it is to flood America with legal and illegal immigrants from their ethnic "tribe". Simply by demographics, they will dilute the vote of American citizens and replace our American culture. "The Third World" is at your doorstep and anxious to present you with the bill as they jump on "the entitlement bandwagon." If you think this is an exaggeration, you have only to witness California as a forewarning of where our entire country is headed. A very sinister message being taught in many Ethnic Studies programs across this country. While MEChA and LA Raza, the two largest Latino organizations on college and high school campuses preach hatred for America, the liberal media ignores them, as the Ford, Rockefeller, Carnegie and other Foundations contribute millions to promote their anarchy. Pro-illegal immigration activists would have you believe "illegals" are coming here only to seek work and a better life. MEChA, LA Raza, MALDEF and the Southwest Voter Registration Project have much darker agendas. Listen to the following audio clips to understand their message. "We call things racism just to get attention. We reduce complicated problems to racism, not because it is racism, but because it works." --- Alfredo Gutierrez, political consultant, as quoted by Richard de Uriarte, The Phoenix Gazette, March 14, 1992 (quoted in The ProEnglish Advocate, 1st quarter, 2002). The above audio clips are from archives distributed by the California Coalition for Immigration Reform. THE AMERICAN RESISTANCE assumes no responsibility for possible errors in recording, attribution, or transcription. The first 15 audio clips above demonstrate the "Pro-Mexico, Anti-America" agenda of "Pro-Immigration" activists and politicians. Rather than encouraging new immigrants and illegal aliens to assimilate into the American culture, they instead seek to "set up a nation within a nation"; one that they can control by keeping immigrants out of the mainstream. They seek "raw political power" with the goal of open borders. Many helped to found and still support such openly racist, anti-American organizations like MEChA, LA RAZA, MALDEF and the Southwest Voter Registration Project. Their goals are to re-take the American Southwest, not by war, but rather by uncontrolled migration. If you think it's not a problem in your state, it will be eventually, as you become a citizen of "MEXAMERICA". Additional audio/video Former Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo "I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an important - a very important - part of it." -- Former Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo at the National Council of La Raza (The Race) Soiree, Chicago on July 23, 1997 The true agenda of The Race Industry Harvard Professor Samuel P. Huntington, Chairman of the Harvard Academy for International and Area Studies - a self-described "old-fashioned Democrat" - warned in his April 2004 article, "The Hispanic Challenge": "Demographically, socially, and culturally, the reconquista (re-conquest) of the Southwest United States by Mexican immigrants is well underway... No other immigrant group in U.S. history has asserted or could assert a historical claim to U.S. territory. Mexicans and Mexican Americans can and do make that claim." In December 2004, the Mexican government published a guide advising illegal Mexican nationals on how to safely cross the U.S. border. In 2001, Ernesto Ruffo Appel, Mexico’s Commissioner for Northern Border Affairs, reportedly told potential illegal Mexican migrants: "If the border patrol agent finds you, try again." Other Mexican government officials have said: "I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an important - a very important - part of it." --1997, Ernest Zedillo, former President of Mexico, in Chicago. "We are practicing La Reconquista in California." --1998, Jose Pescador Osuna, then-Consul General of Mexico, in California. "We are Mexicans that live in our territories and we are Mexicans that live in other territories. In reality, we are 120 million people that live together and are working together to construct a nation." --2004, Vicente Fox, President of Mexico, in Chicago. Leaders of Mexican ancestry in the United States have made similar statements: "As goes the Latino population will go the state of California, and as goes the state of California will go the United States of America. My friends, the stakes are big. This is a fight worth making." --1995, Henry Cisneros, former U.S. Housing and Urban Development Secretary, at a Hispanic conference at UC Riverside. "Eventually, we are going to take over all the political institutions of California." --1998, Mario Obledo, co-founder of MALDEF and California Secretary of Health & Welfare under Gov. Jerry Brown. (He added that California will soon become an "Hispanic state" and that anyone who does not like Mexicans "should go back to Europe.") "Mexico is recovering the territories yielded to the United States by means of migratory tactics." -- 2001, Elena Poniatowska, a prize-winning Mexican novelist who has taught at Harvard, Yale and Princeton. "A secessionist movement is not something that you can put away and say it is never going to happen in the United States. Time and history change." --2002, Armando Navarro, professor at the University of California-Riverside. "The U.S. Southwest will secede and may rejoin Mexico... No nation's borders have been permanent. Throughout history, nations and empires rise and fall." --2002, Charles Truxillo. professor at the University of New Mexico. (Who also said secession of the U.S. Southwest is an "inevitability" because of continued high Hispanic immigration.) "We don't need no stinking green cards." --Benicio Silva of UC Berkeley declared that having to show them at the border was a "violation of our human rights" because "Aztlan is ours and the white man is the invader." "They say we're 'Latinizing' Los Angeles! Don't you love it? We are fighting to build a new Mestizo nation." "We are here again, we are millions and millions, and the aging white Americans are not making babies, we've got to get ready to govern!" --Jose Angel Gutierrez, long-time University of Texas faculty member Rudy Acuña warns that Chicano youth "bring the possibility of violence" to the Chicano movement, and the "Brown Berets" tell "gringos" that "the streets will run red with the blood of tyrants, who have murdered us for so long." Amnestied and naturalized illegal aliens would be able to vote in U.S. elections. Their extended family members who migrate here also could become future voters in the U.S. "Anchor baby" children born in the U.S. to illegal alien parents also are able to vote. Many Mexican-Americans are patriotic and have no political agenda, but they and their U.S.-born children indeed can be mobilized by Mexico to vote according to Mexico’s interests. Juan Hernandez, U.S.-born member of Vicente Fox’s cabinet, has remarked: "We are betting that the Mexican American population in the United States... will think Mexico first." !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUAN HERNANDEZ IS JOHN McAMNESTY McCAIN’S HISPANDERING AGENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ON McCAIN’S PAYROLL!!!!!!! 1. <a href="http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin447.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin447.htm</a> Dr. Corsi also reported the fact that McCain has chosen Juan Hernandez as his Hispanic outreach director. A former Mexican government official, Hernandez is a man who openly advances a "Mexico first" policy everywhere he goes. 1. Corsi wrote, "In an appearance on ABC's Nightline in 2001, Hernandez said, referring to Mexican immigrants in the U.S., 'I want the third generation, the seventh generation, I want them all to think "Mexico first.""' Neither John McCain nor any of his spokesmen have repudiated Hernandez' sentiments. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HILLARY “LA RAZA” CLINTON’S AGENT FOR HISPANDERING IS ANTONIO “TACO RUNT” VILLRAIGOSA, THE RACIST MAYOR OF MEX OCCUPIED LOS ANGELES. CLINTON PROMISED TACO RUNT A CABINET POST IF HE DELIVERED ENOUGH OF THE ILLEGALS’ VOTES! Reference: La Raza -Chicano Activism in California, by Diana Hull, The Social Contract (Summer 1999) ............................. MEMBERS OF THE MEXICAN NAZI PARTY called LA RAZA... “The Race”... Please note that most of these clowns are on you payroll! Servicing the Mexican invasion off your table! And your elected whore is helping them full time! Number 9 is Antonio Villaraigosa, aka “Taco Mex Runt”, mayor of sanctuary city Los Angeles and Hillary Clinton’s campaign co-chairman. Agendas of MEChA, La Raza, MALDEF, and Southwest Voter Registration Projects These are transcripts of live, recorded statements by elected U.S. politicians, college professors, and pro-illegal alien activists whose objective is to take control of our country "by vote if possible and violence if necessary!" 1. Armando Navarro, Prof. Ethnic Studies, UC Riverside at Latino Summit Response to Prop 187, UC Riverside, 1/1995 "These are the critical years for us as a Latino community. We're in a state of transition. And that transformation is called 'the browning of America'. Latinos are now becoming the majority. Because I know that time and history is on the side of the Chicano/Latino community. It is changing in the future and in the present the balance of power of this nation. It's a game - it's a game of power - who controls it. You (to MEChA students) are like the generals that command armies. We're in a state of war. This Proposition 187 is a declaration of war against the Latino/Chicano community of this country. They know the demographics. They know that history and time is on our side. As one community, as one people, as one nation within a nation as the community that we are, the Chicano/Latino community of this nation. What this means is a transfer of power. It means control." 2. Art Torres, former CA state senator, currently Chair of California Democrat Party at UC Riverside 1/1995 "Que viva la causa! It is an honor to be with the new leadership of the Americas, here meeting at UC Riverside. So with 187 on the ballot, what is it going to take for our people to vote - to see us walking into the gas ovens? It is electoral power that is going to make the determination of where we go as a community. And power is not given to you -- you have to take it. Remember: 187 is the last gasp of white America in California. Understand that. And people say to me on the Senate floor when I was in the Senate, 'Why do you fight so hard for affirmative action programs?' And I tell my white colleagues, 'because you're going to need them.'" 3. Jose Angel Gutierrez, Prof. Univ. Texas at Arlington, founder La Raza Unida Party at UC Riverside 1/1995 "The border remains a military zone. We remain a hunted people. Now you think you have a destiny to fulfill in the land that historically has been ours for forty thousand years. And we're a new Mestizo nation. And they want us to discuss civil rights. Civil rights. What law made by white men to oppress all of us of color, female and male. This is our homeland. We cannot - we will not- and we must not be made illegal in our own homeland. We are not immigrants that came from another country to another country. We are migrants, free to travel the length and breadth of the Americas because we belong here. We are millions. We just have to survive. We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. It's a matter of time. The explosion is in our population." 5. Mario Obledo, founding member/former national director of Mexican-American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), former CA Secretary Health/Welfare on Tom Leikus radio talk show "We're going to take over all the political institutions in California. In five years the Hispanics are going to be the majority population of this state." Caller: "You also made the statement that California is going to become a Hispanic state and if anyone doesn't like it they should leave - did you say that?" Obledo: "I did. They ought to go back to Europe." 6. Mario Obledo CCIR commentary on Mario Obledo: When CCIR, the California Coalition for Immigration Reform, erected a billboard on the California/Arizona border reading, "WELCOME TO CALIFORNIA, THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION STATE", Mario Obledo, infuriated, went to the billboard location and threatened to blow it up or burn it down. Even after this threat to deny American citizens their freedom of speech, President Clinton awarded Obledo the Presidential Medal of Freedom, America's highest civilian honor. CCIR question to Obledo: "Jose Angel Gutierrez said, 'We have an aging white America, they are dying, I love it.' How would you translate that statement?" Obledo: "He's a good friend of mine. A very smart person." 7. Richard Alatorre, former Los Angeles City Councilman at Latino Summit conference in Los Angeles opposing CA Prop. 209 ending affirmative action in 9/1996 "Because our numbers are growing, they're afraid about this great mass of minorities that now live in our community. They're afraid that we're going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They are right, we will take them over, and we are not going to go away - we are here to stay, and we are saying 'ya basta' (enough!) and we are going to turn... and de... not elect or re-elect people that believe that they are going to advance their political careers on the backs of immigrants and the backs of minorities." 8. Joe Baca, former CA Assemblymember, now Representative, San Bernardino, currently member of Congress at Latino Summit Response to Prop 187 UC Riverside 1/1995 and Southwest Voter Registration Project annual conference in Los Angeles, 6/1996 "We need more Latinos out there. We must stand up and be counted. We must be together, We must be united. Because if we're not united you know what's going to happen? We're like sticks - we're broken to pieces. Divided we're not together. But as a unit they can't break us. So we've got to come together, and if we're united, si se puede (it can be done) and we will make the changes that are necessary. But we've got to do it. We've got to stand together, and dammit, don't let them divide us because that's what they want to do, is to divide us. And once we're divided we're conquered. But when we look out at the audience and we see, you know, la familia, La Raza (the family, our race), you know, it's a great feeling, isn't it a good feeling? And you know, I started to think about that and it reminded me of a book that we all read and we all heard about, you know, Paul Revere, and when he was saying, 'The British are coming, the British are coming!' Well, the Latinos are coming, the Latinos are coming! And the Latinos are going to vote. So our voices will be heard. So that's what this agenda is about. It's about insuring that we increase our numbers. That we increase our numbers at every level. We talk about the Congressional, we talk about the Senate, we talk about board of supervisors, board of education, city councils, commissions, we have got to increase out numbers because the Latinos are coming. Because what's going on right now, with 187, the CCRI (CA Civil Rights Initiative against affirmative action), and let me tell you, we can't go back, you know, we're in a civil war. But we need to be solidified, we need to come together, we must be strong, because united we form a strong body. United we become solidified, united we make a difference, united we make the changes, united Latinos will win throughout California, let's stick together, que si se puede, que no? (it can be done, right?) 9. Antonio Villaraigosa, Chair of MEChA (student wing of Aztlan movement) at UCLA, former CA assemblymember, former CA Assembly speaker, currently Los Angeles City Councilman at Southwest Voter Registration Project Conference in Los Angeles, 6/1997 "Part of today's reality has been propositions like 187 (to deny public benefits to illegal aliens, 1994), propositions like 209 (to abolish affirmative action, 1996), the welfare reform bill, which targeted legal immigrants and targeted us as a community. That's been the midnight. We know that the sunny side of midnight has been the election of a Latino speaker - was the election of Loretta Sanchez, against an arch-conservative, reactionary hate-mongering politician like Congressman Dornan! Today in California in the legislature, we're engaged in a great debate, where not only were we talking about denying education to the children of undocumented workers, but now we're talking about whether or not we should provide prenatal care to undocumented mothers. It's not enough to elect Latino leadership. If they're supporting legislation that denies the undocumented driver's licenses, they don't belong in office, friends. They don't belong here. If they can't stand up and say, 'You know what? I'm not ever going to support a policy that denies prenatal care to the children of undocumented mothers', they don't belong here." 10. Gloria Molina, one of the five in Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors at Southwest Voter Registration Project Conference, 6/1996. Now spokeswoman for La Raza Nazi party. "This community is no longer going to stand for it. Because tonight we are organizing across this country in a single mission, in a plan. We are going to organize like we've never organized before. We are going to go into our neighborhoods. We are going to register voters.” 11. Vicky Castro, former member of Los Angeles Board of Education at Southwest Voter Registration Project Conference, 6/1996 "Que viva la raza, que viva la raza (long live our race)! I'm here to welcome all the new voters of 18 years old that we're registering now in our schools. Welcome, you're going to make a difference for Los Angeles, for San Antonio, for New York, and I thank Southwest for taking that challenge. And to the Mechistas (MEChA students) across this nation, you're going to make that difference for us, too. But when we register one more million voters I will not be the only Latina on the Board of Education of Los Angeles. And let me tell you here, no one will dismantle bilingual education in the United States of America. No one will deny an education to any child, especially Latino children. As you know, in Los Angeles we make up 70% of this school district. Of 600,000 -- 400,000 are Latinos, and our parents are not heard and they're going to be heard because in Los Angeles, San Antonio and Texas we have just classified 53,000 new citizens in one year that are going to be felt in November!" 12. Ruben Zacarias, former superintendent of Los Angeles Unified School District at Southwest Voter Registration Project Conference, 6/1997 "We have 27 centers now throughout LAUSD. Every one of them has trained people, clerks to take the fingerprints. Each one has the camera, that special camera. We have the application forms. And I'll tell you what we've done with I.N.S. Now we're even doing the testing that usually people had to go to INS to take, and pretty soon, hopefully, we'll do the final interviews in our schools. Incidentally, I started this very quietly because there are those that if they knew that we were creating a whole new cadre of brand new citizens it would have tremendous political impact. We will change the political panorama not only of L.A., but L.A. County and the State. And we do that we've changed the panorama of the nation. I'm proud to stand here and tell you that in those close to three years we have processed a little over 78,000 brand new citizens. That is the largest citizenship program in the entire nation." 13. Ernesto Zedillo, former president of Mexico announcing the Mexican constitutional amendment allowing for dual citizenship on 6/23/97 "I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican national extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders, and that Mexican migrants are an important - a very important part of it. For that reason my government proposed a constitutional amendment to allow any Mexican with the right as he desires to acquire another nationality to do so without being forced to first give up his or her Mexican nationality. Fortunately, the amendment was passed almost unanimously by our federal Congress and is now part of our constitution. I am also here today to tell you that we want you to take pride in what each and every one of your Mexican brothers and sisters are doing back home. 14. Augustin Cebada, Information Minister of Brown Berets, militant para-military soldiers of Aztlan shouting at U.S. citizens at an Independence Day rally in Los Angeles, 7/4/96 "Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets, we're here today to show L.A., show the minority people here, the Anglo-Saxons, that we are here, the majority, we're here to stay. We do the work in this city, we take care of the spoiled brat children, we clean their offices, we pick the food, we do the manufacturing in the factories of L.A., we are the majority here and we are not going to be pushed around. We're here in Westwood, this is the fourth time we've been here in the last two months, to show white Anglo-Saxon Protestant L.A., the few of you who remain, that we are the majority, and we claim this land as ours, it's always been ours, and we're still here, and none of the talk about deporting. If anyone's going to be deported it's going to be you! Go back to Simi Valley, you skunks! Go back to Woodland Hills! Go back to Boston! To back to the Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You're old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you, leave like beaten rats. You old white people, it is your duty to die. Even their own ethicists say that they should die, that they have a duty to die. They're taking up too much space, too much air. We are the majority in L.A. There's over seven million Mexicans in L.A. County alone. We are the majority. And you're going to see every day more and more of it, as we manifest as our young people grow up, graduate from high school, go on to college and start taking over this society. The vast majority of our people are under the age of 15 years old. Right now we're already controlling those elections, whether it's by violence or nonviolence. Through love of having children we're going to take over." Other demonstrators: "Raza fuerza (brown race power), this is Aztlan, this is Mexico. They're the pilgrims on our land. Go back to the Nina, the Pinta, the Santa Maria." 19. MEChA (student wing of the Aztlan movement) - motto: "For the race, everything, for those outside the race, nothing." - Chants at national conference, Cal State Univ., Northridge, 6/1996 "Viva la raza (long live our race)", "Chicano power" "We didn't cross the border, the border crossed us" "Long live the revolution" "Esta es mi tierra, esta es mi lucha (This is my land, this is my fight)" The above transcripts are from audio clips ................. ]]>

<![CDATA[Here I was thinking it was the will of the people that granted government its power through the vote.. Guess now its the courts that will decide how you will live and FUCK what "we the people" have to say... I'm completely disgusted and dumbfounded...]]>

<![CDATA[While our elected work hard for their corporate paymasters, demanding open borders, no wall, mucho welfare for illegals, small town America, from border to border are fighting the Mexican invasion and occpuation. WHEN NarcoMex starts their own Mexican welfare system, other than shipping them over our borders, we will find: WAGES FOR STUPID GRINGOS NO LONGER DEPRESSED TAXES FOR MEX WELFARE GO DOWN MEXICAN GANGS DISAPPEAR MEXICAN DRUG CARTEL FINDS SOMETHING ELSE TO DO OTHER THAN LOPPING OFF HEADS THE BORDERS ARE SECURED 12 AMERICANS THAT WOULD BE MURDERED BY ILLEGALS EVERYDAY WOULD STILL BE ALIVE. EMAIL THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Brown Berets de Aztlan are recruiting and forming new chapters 1. Ernesto Cienfuegos La Voz de Aztlan Los Angeles, Alta California - May 1, 2008 - (ACN) "The Brown Berets de Aztlan have undertaken an active campaign to recruit more soldiers and form new chapters throughout Aztlan," said Chairman David Rico yesterday. "We will be having a series of presentations throughout the Southwest starting in San Diego on May 8, 2008," he added. David Rico is one of the original founders of the Brown Berets in California and was one of the Brown Beret soldiers that seized and took over land in Barrio Logan in San Diego that later became, the now world famous, "Chicano Park". In the first presentation in San Diego, David Rico and other Brown Berets will be speaking on what it takes to be a Brown Beret de Aztlan, what the organization believes in and on future plans. They will also be answering questions. The first presentation is scheduled for May 8, 2008 from 6:30-9:00 p.m. at the Centro Cultural de La Raza located in Balboa Park at 2125 Park Blvd, San Diego. After the recruitment campaign, the Brown Berets de Aztlan will be organizing caravans to the state of Arizona where our community is presently under siege by racists and other anti-immigrant elements. <a href="http://www.aztlan.net/brown_berets_de_aztlan.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.aztlan.net/brown_berets_de_aztlan.htm</a> ..................................... Lou Dobbs Tonight Monday, February 11, 2008 In California, League of United Latin American Citizens has adopted a resolution to declare "California Del Norte" a sanctuary zone for immigrants. The declaration urges the Mexican government to invoke its rights under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo "to seek third-nation neutral arbitration of ....disputes concerning immigration laws and their enforcement." We’ll have the story. Mexican President Felipe Calderon is in New York today on the first leg his five-day tour across America to meddle in immigration issues in the United States. This is his first visit to the U.S. since he became President in 2006, but he will not meet with President Bush or any of the presidential candidates, who he has accused of spewing anti-immigrant rhetoric. Join us for that report. ............................. AMERICAN TAXPAYERS BEING FORCED TO SUPPORT LATINO NAZI PARTY (since this was published, Harry Reid of La Raza occupied Nevada, went to Congress an got $5 million more for La Raza and each presidential candidate has embraced and sold out to La Raza for the illegals’ illegal votes!) By Dave Gibson (09/17/2006) <a href="http://americandaily.com/article/15577" rel="nofollow">http://americandaily.com/article/15577</a> In 2005, the Latino group known as La Raza (The Race) was given $15.2 million in U.S. federal grants. La Raza also received an additional $4 million in so-called 'earmarks' tucked into the 2005 Housing Bill, which our Congress passed and President Bush signed. Considering the racist agenda of La Raza, giving federal funds to this group is tantamount to the U.S. funding the Nazis in the 1930's. The comparison to the Nazi Party is well deserved. La Raza openly supports pushing all but Latino Americans out of a portion of the United States (ethnic cleansing), they call for 'Reconquista' or the re-conquest of the American Southwest by Mexico (the re-occupation of the Sudetanland), and the establishment of 'Atzlan' which is the utopian all-Latino version of the American Southwestern states (Adolf Hitler planned to called his utopia Germania). Karl Rove was one of the keynote speakers at this year's annual National Council of La Raza Conference. The event was held in Los Angeles (the eventual capital of Atzlan). Other speakers included Jesse Jackson, Bill Clinton, and the virulent racist L.A. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa. The fact that Karl Rove is the President's top political adviser and addressed the group with Bush's blessing, is a strong indicator that this nation is being subverted at the very highest levels. If La Raza was a white supremacist group with equally deep pockets, the U.S. government would place them on a terrorist watch list, infiltrate them with undercover FBI agents, and subject them to constant harassment by the Internal Revenue Service. Eventually, the group's leaders would be jailed and the group itself would be rendered irrelevant. However, because La Raza is a Latino supremacist group, the Bush administration and most of Congress offer them financial support! “THE RACIST GOALS OF THAT ORGANIZATION,” SENATOR HARRY REID, MEXICAN ASS LICKER! One of La Raza's biggest supporters is Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV). In 2001, Reid asked the Senate Appropriations Committee for $5 million to help further the racist goals of that organization. That same year, La Raza gave Sen. Reid their Capital Award for "his commitment to advance legislation priorities of the Latino community." Reid in turn praised La Raza by saying: "La Raza is like the biblical David, fighting all these Goliaths." Taxpayer funds are also funneled to La Raza through the Department of Health and Human Services, The Environmental Protection Agency, and even NASA. Tax dollars are hidden in these government agencies, earmarked to be specifically given away to La Raza. Inside the halls of Congress, the practice is known as discretionary funding...In the real world it is known as money laundering! In 2005, $7.9 million was stolen from the American taxpayers and given out to Latino-only charter schools in the form of U.S. Department of Education grants. The following is a list of a few of those schools: -La Academia Semillas del Pueblo (Los Angeles) -Atzlan Academy (Tucson, AZ) -Mexicayotl Academy (Nogales, AZ) -The Dolores Huerta Prepatory High School (Pueblo, CO) -Academia Cesar Chavez Charter School (St. Paul, MN) These schools stress Latino culture, the Spanish language, the reconquest of the American Southwest, ethnic cleansing and the establishment of the mythical Atzlan, and even Aztec math!...Again, all taught on your dime! According to the Capital Research Center, La Raza has assets well in excess of $50 million. This same group reports that La Raza spends about $1 million annually on lobbying and fundraising. Can you imagine a high-ranking member of the Roosevelt administration making a trip to Berlin to show support for the Nazi Party? Or perhaps the Congress appropriating money to the Ku Klux Klan? While those scenarios both sound absurd, the support that our elected officials are giving to the racist group known as La Raza is no different. One has to wonder, if the KKK offered extremely cheap labor to unscrupulous American businesses and potential votes to equally unscrupulous politicians...Would Congress fund whites-only charter schools? ...................................... MEChA-the Mexican Nazi Movement <a href="http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/14851.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/14851.html</a> MEChA (“Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan” or Chicano Students Movement of Aztlan) is neither a fraternity nor a “good-natured and altruistic college campus organization”. Rather, it is the Hispanic version of the Nazis, Ku Klux Klan or Islamic Jihad—take your pick or mix ‘n match. MEChA’s news organ La Voz de Aztlan (“the voice of Aztlan”) regularly and consistently prints opinions and “news” stories that vilify Israel and Jews, in general. Amongst others, one of its staff writers-Ernesto Cienfuegos-has written numerous anti-Semitic articles including but, not limited to “Jews against Islam: The War of Cartoons”, “Jewish Maquiladora Owners Scam Tijuana Workers”, “The Kosher Nostra Scam on the American Consumer”, “Zionist Plot to take over Mexican Presidency” and “Jewish Rabbi gives three infants Herpes”. WHEW! The site also blasts Los Angeles KFI talk-show host Bill Handel in its statement: “The radio show is hosted by a Jew named Bill Handel who has a history of making obscene and racist remarks against non-Jewish ethnic, racial and religious groups including Mexicans.” Another of its “news” stories includes “Anti-Mexican Jewish Bigot Identified” in which it states: “The racist Jew who filmed a video in which he humiliates a group of Mexican workers (Jornaleros) has been identified. La Voz de Aztlan has received information on the hateful Jew who produced the shameful video. This is more proof that these sinister, malevolent, malicious and nefarious people will stop at nothing.” The site also firmly aligns itself with Islam. If one is looking for good old-fashioned no-holds-barred “hate speech against Jews”, La Voz de Aztlan is the site to visit. But, the Aztlan Movement is much more than just a small and inconsequential “hate-Jew movement”—much more, indeed. On its site, La Voz announced its participation in the 2004 "Forum on Binational Thought" which was held in Mexico City. The speaker from the Aztlan Movement was named as no other than Henry Cisneros! La Voz writes: “From Aztlan, Henry Cisneros will deliver the speech "Future of the relationship between Mexican and Mexican-Americans". Cisneros was Bill Clinton's Secretary of Housing and Urban Development and is presently a John Kerry campaign aide within the Mexican-American community.” And if that doesn’t curl your hair, current California Lieutenant Governor Cruz Bustamante and Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa are “former” MEChA members. But, one has to wonder if the “former” designation is accurate. Note: This definitely takes MEChA and the Aztlan Movement out of the “fringe” category and places it into the mainstream Hispanic Democrat camp. And it is patently chilling. Most certainly, MEChA’s Aztlan Movement does not represent the majority of Hispanics in the United States. The mere fact that lawmakers in the US are members (or claim to be “former” members) should at least give all US citizens pause—if not creating a call to action. This hate-filled organization is growing, folks—and so is its influence on other US lawmakers. Bear in mind, MEChA’s Aztlan Movement is also the organization that is working for the Reconquista (“reconquest”) of the US’ Southwestern states, which include California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. And with increasing backing from US “leaders”, including a US Senate that appears to be feckless in passing any Immigration Reform bill that has real teeth and viability, they just might affect it. However, this time the New Nazi movement won’t have a German accent. Comprende usted? <a href="http://www.aztlan.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.aztlan.net/</a> <a href="http://www.aztlan.net/jew_bill_handel.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.aztlan.net/jew_bill_handel.htm</a> <a href="http://www.aztlan.net/binational_thought.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.aztlan.net/binational_thought.htm</a> <a href="http://www.americanpatrol.com/MECHA/makingofbustamante991030.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanpatrol.com/MECHA/makingofbustamante991030.html</a> <a href="http://www.aztlan.net/jewish_bigot_identified.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.aztlan.net/jewish_bigot_identified.htm</a> See: CFR’s Plan to Integrate the U.S., Mexico and Canada <a href="http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20050816.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20050816.htm</a> The Great Alien Invasion - What's Happening Now <a href="http://www.rense.com/general69/inva.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.rense.com/general69/inva.htm</a> "Bush Secret Border Wars" Mayhem and terror in Southern states to protect government drug cartels <a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2005/140805borderwars.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2005/140805borderwars.htm</a> Mexican/Bush Crime Families Expand in U.S. <a href="http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2652" rel="nofollow">http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2652</a> <a href="http://immigrationcounters.com/" rel="nofollow">http://immigrationcounters.com/</a> <a href="http://usaborderalert.com/" rel="nofollow">http://usaborderalert.com/</a> ***************************************************************************** ]]>

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<![CDATA[ Worried about gas prices hitting $4 a gallon and beyond? Imagine if they were $6, $7 or even $8 a gallon. Those levels are a certain possibility should Congress pass cap-and-trade legislation, which could face a vote in early June. Oil is trading at record levels, in excess of $120 a barrel. Leading Republican Sens. James Inhofe (Okla.) and Jeff Sessions (Ala.) both told the Business & Media Institute (BMI) energy prices would drastically increase if the Lieberman-Warner Climate Security Act (S. 2191) is signed into law. “The studies show it would be directly affected, would be a $1.50 a gallon, in addition to what it is today,” Inhofe, the ranking Republican on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, said to (BMI). Inhofe spoke at a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. on May 15 to introduce the “We Get It!” campaign – a program founded by evangelical Christians that question the merits of global warming alarmism. According to Inhofe, the bill will make it to the floor of the Senate on June 2. “So now I think we need to concentrate on what it will cost the American people,” he said during the press conference. “To try to put it in a perspective people understand, if we had ratified, according to the Wharton School of Economics, the Kyoto Treaty, back five years ago, it would have cost about – between $300 and $330 billion – that was the range they had. This bill that’s up today is $471 billion – far more than that. And the question is, what do you get for it?” Sessions, a member of the Senate’s Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, went a step further. He cited sources that suggest the increase could be as much as $5 a gallon. “[L]et me tell you what’s heading down the tracks,” Sessions said to BMI on May 14. “In a few weeks, we expect that the cap-and-trade legislation that’s been voted out of Sen. Barbara Boxer’s (D-Calif.) Environment and Public Works Committee will be on the floor and according to the Environmental Protection Agency it will increase gas prices by $1.50. The National Association of Manufacturers says it will increase it as much as $5 per gallon.” Sessions proposed that money should be spent on energy investment versus a regulatory bureaucracy to enforce the provisions of the Lieberman-Warner bill. “So instead of actually coming forward with any idea about what to do about rising prices, we’ll soon be voting on a bill that has already passed committee, has some Republican support, that would surge the price of energy, create a bureaucracy – and I just don’t think is the right thing to do,” Sessions said. “I’d rather spend our money in investing in the new the technologies, helping get nuclear power online, improving batteries, researching cellulosic ethanol. Let’s spend our money on that without creating cap-and-trade bureaucracies that have not worked in Europe.” According to the Energy Information Administration, the average price of a gallon of gas in Europe ranges from $8 to $9 a gallon. Gas prices have been one of the most reported news stories of the past several years. Reporters have repeatedly warned of prices approaching the levels Inhofe and Sessions warned about. However, journalists have consistently complained about oil company profits, not taxes, making gas prices higher. On NBC’s May 15 “Today,” host Matt Lauer interviewed ExxonMobil (NYSE:XOM) CEO Rex Tillerson. Lauer quizzed Tillerson on oil companies’ profit margins and higher gas prices, but Lauer didn’t ask Tillerson about the potential impact Lieberman-Warner would have on the price of gasoline. “Well, the problem we have right now, and fortunately we have several months before the election, to make sure the American people know that this is a supply problem that is causing the gas prices to go up,” Inhofe said to BMI. “You know the Democrats, right down party lines – they do not want to drill in ANWR, they do not want to drill offshore. They don’t want the tar sands. They don’t want more energy. And they don’t want refinery capacity.” The Senate defeated a measure to drill in ANWR on May 13. The vote, an amendment to another bill, was killed by a vote of 42-56, largely along party lines. Only one Democrat voted for the amendment, Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.), and five Republicans voting against it. Inhofe blamed Democratic policies going as far back as the Clinton administration. “The Democrats are the reason we have high prices at the pumps, and we’re not going to be able to alleviate that until we start producing again in America,” Inhofe added. “And I knew this was happening way back, well 10 years ago, when President Clinton vetoed the bill that would have allowed us to drill in ANWR. I said on the Senate floor that day 10 years ago that in 10 years we would regret this. It’s now 10 years later.” ]]>

<![CDATA[The Court has ruled that Proposition 22 [<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_22_" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_22_</a>(2000)] was inherently flawed because it's enactment [and subsequent enforcement] violated the State Constitution's provision for 'equal protection'. Had paid signature gathers been able to initiate a Proposition fifty-odd years ago enshrining anti-miscegenation as the law of the land, it too, eventually, would have been found unconstitutional and struck down-- regardless of whether it passed by a large majority or a slim one. And it probably would have passed by landslide proportions if put to a vote. In part because the unregenerate would rather use God's Word in a mean spirited and divisive manner; to keep some people down rather than lift anyone but themselves up. Those 'activist judges' didn't change your mind about anti-miscegenation laws--they saw to it that you grew up without their pernicious influence, which you would have come to regard as 'normal'-- and so now you don't see, hopefully, an interracial couple as something 'unnatural'. But that's the only reason that you don't; because it's become common place and accepted. Not because it's inherently immoral--- as religious people tried to have codified. 'The will of the people' is nothing more than 'mob rule' when it disenfranchises a minority. Dance around it any way you wish and unfurl all the flags you want. But the fact remains; we live in a secular society where our elected representatives place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. Not the other way around; they don't cover the Constitution with their hand and swear to uphold the Bible... Outside of religious bigotry [masquerading, as another poster framed it, 'right and wrong'] your argument has no merit. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm9mq3ORpX4&feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm9mq3ORpX4&feature=related</a> You write, "No, Arc/Mat, this is not an issue based on second class citizens. Your argument regarding the 1967 United States Supreme Court decision that found Miscegenation Laws were Unconstitutional, is a well-founded attempt to parallel the State of California's Supreme Court's decision issued today. However, once again, your argument is invalid as the former was not put to ballot and voted upon as a nation. In your example, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled with no proposition that was clearly previously defined by the will of the people. California voters already voted that they did not want Gay Marriage to be a Federal Right! Therefore, to overturn the will of the people that was already put to vote 8 years ago an overwhelmingly shot down is a direct violation of the Constitution and the Founding Father's intent with regard to Democracy. I found it amazing that you are educated enough to interpret the Founding Father's Original Intent as it relates to a Republic form of Democracy at it's greatest form. Unfortunately, at the same time, you fail to see how the intent and the very Framework of a Republic based form of Government, ruled by the fundamental principles of Democracy, OR BETTER DEFINED AS THE WILL OF THE MASSES/MAJORITY/VOTE, escapes your vast intellect! How can you claim to know so much, but fail to subscribe to the very principles you champion and promote? The gay community has been given the same equality in the workplace, tax exemptions, and health care benefits that traditional married couples receive. In fact, Gays now have an advantage over straights when it comes to preferential treatment. The rules have been changed to accommodate Gays and it is tant amount to Prop 187 being overturned back in the 1990's. The fact of my post is still TRUE! THE ISSUE IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE, BUT RATHER AN ASSAULT ON THE VERY FRAMEWORK OF THE CONSTITUTION! THE CONSTITUTION CLEARLY DEFINES THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. The court overturned a law that an overwhelming majority of citizens had approved -– a point made by the three dissenting justices. The will of the people and their votes casts 8 years ago, have just been rendered worthless because of what happened today, and the Supreme Court has showed a disregard for the democratic system. ]]>

<![CDATA[I don't know what went on in the court room because I really did not pay much attention to this story. This issue is not something I look out for when reading the news. But somewhere in the "shut down" process, somebody forgot to check to see if it would pass the constitution test. I am no lawyer, but I can't see the new fear/queer monger ballet measure passing the constitution test either. Its only the second day and your fear of queers argument is already getting old. But hey, at least it will bring out the crazy bastards like yourself to give McBush a boost. Otherwise, Obama will have taken California by a landslide. mikeyP --------------------------------------------------------------------- re Gay Marriage: Trust me, the republicans are thrilled. - (mikeyP) Reply to: comm-682818614@craigslist.org Date: 2008-05-16, 6:00AM PDT Mikeyp. was this not voted on by the people once already?? They shut it down remember??? I guess they were all idiots and probably took it out of context huh??? Oh maybe they were all republicans that voted in a democrat state???? Please pull your head out of your ass.]]>

<![CDATA[When can I marry my dog??]]>

<![CDATA[Mikeyp. was this not voted on by the people once already?? They shut it down remember??? I guess they were all idiots and probably took it out of context huh??? Oh maybe they were all republicans that voted in a democrat state???? Please pull your head out of your ass.]]>

<![CDATA[At yesterday's markup of the Iraq supplemental appropriations bill, the Senate Appropriations Committee committed an outrageous act of disrespect for our men and women in uniform and to the citizens of this country by adopting an amendment by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) that gives amnesty to illegal-alien agricultural workers. The copy of the amendment obtained by NumbersUSA indicates a maximum of 1.35 million illegal aliens, plus their families, could obtain "emergency agricultural worker status" for a five-year period. However, the amendment also provides for an adjustment of status, which paves the way for permanent legalization. The committee also adopted other immigration-related amendments, including one that drastically expands the H-2B visa program for non-agricultural seasonal workers. A vote by the full Senate may occur early next week, so please contact your Senators now to urge them to work to strip the amnesty from the Iraq spending bill on the floor, as well as the other amendments increasing immigration levels. Capitol Switchboard at 202-224-3121 The most important point to stress is that there is no need for an amnesty to provide growers with workers. There already is an H-2A foreign ag worker program that provides growers with an unlimited number of temporary workers if the growers agree to pay a decent wage and ensure that they go home at the end of the season. Feinstein is just trying to protect the abysmally low wages and bad working conditions that farmworkers labor under. ]]>

<![CDATA[Before the ruling came out yesturday, they only thing that the republicans had was to sell you fear. Its kind of a down year for them and with nothing tangible to sell, fear was it. Now, that this ruling has come out, they can now sell you both fear and queer. I am sure we will be seeing more queer peppered with fear from now November. Because put it simply, fear and queer is all they got. mikeyP]]>

<![CDATA[I give you credit on the fact that you, "agree with most of my post." My post having everything to do with the, "Will of the people." You claim to agree with me, but you still have no idea what the context of my post contends. Your argument seems to conflict yourself, as you try to use erroneous examples of what you perceive are parallel in scope. YOu conclude your argument with: "some issues involve basic human "rights" and thus should not be overturned by the will of the majority. Other issues cannot realistically be subject to "majority will" simply because they are beyond the realm of human intervention." Your examples that you use to try an justify the above statement are awful. They are not even close to being relevant to this discussion. I believe that you inadvertently brought morality into your argument. This social issue is subject to human intervention as you claim. Not only did the voters overwhelmingly strike Prop 22 down 8 years ago, 62-38; The people spoke and did not think their votes would go into the waste basket, simply because a few Activist Judges decided to allow their own feelings on the subject to influence their decision, and by doing so, defying the will of millions upon millions of voters. You attempt to save your argument with some sort of humanitarian argument that human intervention should not define social policy and basic human rights. Truth be told, they have the same rights that married couples have with regard to tax forms, health care, and the now lax policies that provide special provisions, that straight couples are not afforded. The balance has shifted and this is the problem. Personally, I can't stand gays. But, I have had many friends that I had no problem with and enjoyed their company. Why, You ask, how someone like me canassociate with those that I open;y hate? The reason is simple. The Gays I know don't want special provisions and laws changed. They just want to assimilate and not be a focal point. The ones I know are against all this Gay Lobbyist crap that keeps putting their lifestyle into the headlines. My Gay friends and I get along, because this crap is not important to them. Basically, they would prefer not be as Political Issues, and left alone. They know that there are limits to our friendships that are based on respect and to each there own, until you Gay Space invades my space! And all of us accept one another's boundaries! As I said before this issue is nothing more than an assault on the will of the people and my gay friends couldn't agree more and would like the rest of the Gay Community to stop making them their Poster Child! ]]>

<![CDATA[Is it just me, or have the majority of posts been erased? Not too mention, all posts that are anti-LIBERAL! Seriously! What the FUCK!!!!!!!!!!! ]]>

<![CDATA[ Our society is based on the family unit, loving male, female and offspring. This once great nation can not and will not survive without it. Actually this seems to be an argument FOR gay marriage since that involves the forming of a "family unit" ...... as opposed to gays just having gratitous relations with whomever comes along - which is what the gay community has in the past been known for. All humans should be granted to freedom to make any life choices they see fit. However, we all need to be accountable for our decisions. But the choice is really one of monogamy vs nonmonogamy. Considering the STDs that are out there, it seems like you should be encouraging monogamy! Homosexuality should not be promoted nor accepted as “okay” least of all rewarded in my opinion. Very disappointed with the decision made today, but I am confident that it will be rectified. But then by the same reasoning, heterosexuality should not be promoted either ...... we should all just be abstinent ....... as is promoted by the right-wing conservatives, right? In fact, the current system is discriminatory against those who have yet to find their mate. There are of course some very good reasons why monogamous relationships should be encouraged, but being married does not guarantee monogamy either. But the REAL question is why should the government be encouraging marriage just for the sake of marriage? Shouldn't we instead be encouraging marriages that actually will last? Instead of encouraging phony relationships that are marriages in name only, why not just stop having the government play favorites to ANYBODY? ]]>

<![CDATA[ Unfortunately, at the same time, you fail to see how the intent and the very Framework of a Republic based form of Government, ruled by the fundamental principles of Democracy, OR BETTER DEFINED AS THE WILL OF THE MASSES/MAJORITY/VOTE, escapes your vast intellect! So by the same reasoning, since there are more women than men, if ALL women were to vote to make men slaves, then I guess that would be acceptable to you? OK, that's a bad example since women have already enslaved men. :) What if women were to vote to have men bear the children? How many women would vote for that? And how many men would be able to do that? Sounds silly, I admit, but the point is that some issues involve basic human "rights" and thus should not be overturned by the will of the majority. Other issues cannot realistically be subject to "majority will" simply because they are beyond the realm of human intervention. Having said all this, I agree with most of what you say. It's just that there's always the potential for such caveats. ]]>

<![CDATA[ But Marriage is a Religious principle... what I don't understand is why the Gay community is fighting so hard for a Religious principle, when they (broadly) want "Religion" out of our Societies decisions making. OK, keep in mind that THIS is an election year ..... just as it was in 2004 when this issue was last raised. The REAL reason why this issue is raised during election years is to incite conservative middle America into voting against Democrats .... who tend to be more tolerant on this issue. This fear-mongering is what worked in 2004 and we got stuck with another four years of an incompetent idiotic George W Bush. Now they are trying to do it again in hopes that they'll scare middle America into voting for John McCain. So why are gays so desirous of having conservatives running the country? They think that with someone like George W Bush running the country, they'll have a common enemy against whom they can rally support. Nevermind that idiot Bush has destroyed the middle class of this country in the process. The gay activists could care less. For those of us who are truly concerned with where this country is headed, it's time that we expose the gay activists for their misguided efforts to keep conservative Republican extremists in power! ]]>

<![CDATA[Okay, so I just sent this as an email to so